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help - '05 z1000!!


g'day guys, i am brand new to the site and after hours of searching the net have hopefully found a crew that can help me. i recently bought a smashed '05 kawasaki z1000 from fowles auctions in brisbane. it is fitted with a factory immobiliser and when i bought the bike i only got one black key with it. i have subsequently lost that solitary black key and cannot start the bike unless i drop 2 grand at my local kawasaki dealer for a new ecu, new ignition barrel and new set of keys - including the red master key. a local locksmith up here reckons he can cut and code a new key for me.........but i need the code!! i have found the guy that owned the bike before i bought it, but he cannot find the red master key! so i am in dire straits!! i am hoping that somebody can help me/advise me on how to get the code out of the ecu so that i can give it to the locksmith. if this is at all possible that is.

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Actually it is easier to just disable the immobilizer in the software than to pull the code out.

That being said however I am not going to post instructions here that will help motorcycle thieves smart enough to google 'disable immobilizer' to get stolen bikes running. (I won't do it via email either)

Nothing personal, but I don't think your going to find anyone to help you here.



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yeah mate that is fair enough. thanks.

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When searching Ebay for a Bandit 1250 ECU I came across a Suzuki GSX1400 ecu for sale. I thought it strange that whilst all the other ecu's were around £150 or less, this GSX1400 was £400+...Then I read that the immobilzer had been disabled.....
Not the kind of thing I would want to see advertised really. If this gets to be a big problem then the manufacturers will just make it harder to hack ecu's.

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yeah i hear you on that! i have actually found an ad on ebay advertising ecu's with the immobilisers bypassed for many different bikes - including the '05 z1000. given my situation, i am probably going to go right ahead and buy one as well as inform all my mates who own immobiliser equipped bikes that their problems can be solved for a fraction of the factory price should they misplace their 'red key'. they in turn will tell their mates and so on.......i guess this is why immobiliser bypassed ecu's have become readily available. demand = supply! the problem i am faced with is the crazy price kawasaki want for a new ecu, lockset and red key. people have lost much bigger things than a set of keys - businesses, marriages, fortunes for example - so in my opinion misplacing a key is nothing out of the ordinary - but kawasaki's rude replacement price sure is! hence people in my position have no option but to find a cheaper alternative and as they say in the classics, where there is a will there is a way. we are not all made of money and the japanese factorys need to take a leaf out of ducati's book regarding this problem. anyways, should i be successful with the immobiliser bypassed ecu that i am going to buy there is every chance i will sell my original ecu - off an australian delivered immobiliser equipped 2005 kawasaki z1000 - so if anybody out there is interested let me know. unlike kawasaki, the price will be realistic!!

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Hi,

I was wondering if you had any succses with this?

I have the same problem with a ZX12R, I bought a ECU from the states, but I still can't get it to fire.

Thanks
Patrick

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hey Patrick - i will let you know how i go with all this. i am still waiting on the 'aftermarket' ecu to arrive from the UK. when it eventually arrives i will plug it all in and hopefully the bike is back on the road!! the company i am gettng the new ecu through is called track electronics. they are UK based and have a good website, so if you google it you should find them. maybe they are the solution!!
good luck and i will keep you posted.

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UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE BIKE HISTORY, THE DEALERSHIP SHOULD BE ABLE TO ORDER A REPLACEMENT KEY FROM THE FACTORY USING THE SERIAL NUMBER OF THE BIKE. THAT SHOULD COST A FEW QUID INSTEAD OF A COUPLE OF GRAND.

GET US THE NAME AND CONTACT INFO FOR THE DEALERSHIP THAT CAN NOT DO THAT AND WE CAN START BOMBARDING THEM WITH EMAILS AND PHONECALLS. IF YOUR INTENTIONS ARE LEG THEN POST THE DETAILS OF THE DEALERSHIP IMMEDIATELY HERE AND WE CAN TAKE IF FROM THERE AS A GROUP EFFORT ALSO INVOLVING THE LOCAL USER GROUP FOR THE BIKE IF YOU POST THE MFG YEAR, MODEL AND MAKE OF YOUR BIKE.

CAN YOU DO THAT FOR US - POST THE NAME AND DETAILS OF DEALERSHIP, YOUR BIKE MFG YEAR, MODEL AND MAKE AND WE WILL GET THE LOCAL USER GROUP FOR THAT BIKE INVOLVED TO RESOLVE YOUR SITUATION.

If the ecu is not compatible with the harness used in the bike like in case of busa usa and european models, then its a different story. The ignition lock has a "setting" that makes the "harness" only work with the right ecu version - but that is not called an immobilizer.



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ok Petrik - sorry about my delay in posting, i have been away with work. i have spoken to 3 kawasaki dealerships in australia as well as head office for kawasaki australia. the dealerships i have spoken to regarding my problem are :
1) QB 4 (toowoomba kawasaki)
2) REVHEADZ KAWASAKI (brisbane dealership)
3) PRO KAWASAKI (brisbane dealership)

i purchased my bike as a "repairable write-off" from manaheim fowles auctioneers in brisbane, australia. i have all the required paperwork/ receipts for it. it is 100% legitimate.
it is a 2005 kawasaki Z1000. i have had an unchipped key that fits all the locks cut. the locksmith found a number stamped on the seat lock and he cut it straight off that number. the ignition comes on and the starter even turns over, but without the correct chip/ecu code of course the bike won't start. he cannot code the key unfortunately. he has a flash machine to code keys but we have found no way of finding the code. i have been corresponding with track electronics in the UK regarding an ecu with the immobiliser bypassed - i have been told this week that the ecu has been ordered. if this ecu is not compatible with the wiring harness i am indeed screwed. i guess it is a risk i am going to have to take!
thanks in advance for any help - it is much appreciated as this is an extremely frustrating situation!
stay cool, tim spencer.

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ok - this quote found with 30 sec search should answer what to do ...

"easy answer -- if your bike has an immobilizer, there's a red ring around the ignition switch that says "Immobilizer". there are two types of keys: regular ignition keys, and a special red programming key. both types of keys have chips.

the red key is used for programming. if you get a new ignition key, I believe the general idea is that you put the red key into the ignition, put the immobilizer into programming mode, and then insert the new key. the immobilizer will then read the code from the chip in the new key and add it to the list of "authorized" keys.

in the event that you lose the red key, I believe you'll need to get a new immobilizer installed in the bike, but you'll prolly have to prove to Kawasaki that you've purchased the bike legitimately.

only euro keys have chips. So there is nothing to program if it's a usa bike."

 


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that is all correct - except the australia delivered Z1000's ('04 onwards) are specced the same as the euro ones in that they have immobilisers and chipped keys. as i have absolutely no chipped keys for the bike i can't beat the immobiliser system.

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Hi all before I start..
Ok I have the same problem. I own UK spec gsxr 750 k7 which is 1 month out of warranty.
Water has penetrated the plug on the ecu and coroded a pin off making the ECU a heap of plastic.  I managed to buy a new loom at a good price and was told to buy a second hand ecu and the dealer (here the bike has been for 4 weeks) could programme my original keys (which I have both) to the EcU.
This now does not seem the case, and the second hand ecu seems to be blocked, and useless without the original keys it came with.  Is this the case?

Also if the US bikes are not immobilised would it be possible to plug one of those in and away to go?

Suzuki as a godwill gesture have offered me a loom (which I dont need) and an ECU for £500 plus labour.  Which I think is noe right as this problem has obviously been occuring even before I bought the bike back in July.  And we all know they are not serviceable parts which are checked.

Any adice would be greatly recieved.

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Couple of things.....

First, I know people who successfully reflashed Euro GSXR 1k ECUs with US software and got them to work on their Euro bikes. I don't know if it was plug and play or if they had to move a few wires to get it to work but it would indicate that you could probably get a US ECU or a Euro ECU flashed into a US to work on your bike.

Second, the US bikes do have an anti-theft circuit albeit a much more simplified one. There is a resistor in the lock that sends a set voltage to a pin on the ECU. It prevents someone form just yanking the wires out of the lock and twisting them together. The resistor is very inexpensive and fairly easy to wire into the harness.

Third, I figured out how to disable the Euro immobilizer on the Euro GSXR 1000 by disabling it in the software. The only problem is I don't have a copy of the K7 750 Euro software.

If your damaged ECU and replacement you bought have the same part number then I could open up your damaged unit, download the software, find the immobilizer switch, and reflash your replacement unit with the immobilizer disabled.

I would be willing to do this for free if you let me keep your damaged unit and you pay shipping both ways to the US. It is worth the effort for me in order to get a copy of a Euro 750 map

What are all the numbers on the two ECUs?


-- Edited by RidgeRacer at 18:50, 2009-01-10

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Hello Fuzzrr,

send me a PM with your email adress, I can help you.

-- Edited by Blackgixxer at 22:54, 2009-01-10

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G'day guys - well finally i have solved my problem. Firstly i would like to extend a very big thankyou to all of you for your help, ideas and time - especially ridgeracer, good onya mate!! I ended up buying a second hand ECU, ignition lock, seat lock and gas cap from a wrecker in Germany and i got 2 chipped black keys and the red master key as well. Everything was off a European '05 model Z1000 (immobiliser equipped) and it all plugged/bolted straight onto my Australian delivered '05 Z1000 (also immobiliser equipped). It was all a simple straight swap and she fired and barked into life at the first hit of the starter. I have 2 mates here with Z1000's - one is an '03 model and the other an '05 model. I have subsequently raced them both and it seems to me that although my bike is now running a European ECU, there is no noticeable difference in power or speed. So i am a very happy man! All this for 500 Euro.... hell yeah, i can totally live with that!!
Thanks again guys, Tim.

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   If you don't want your old ECU, I would recommend donating it to RidgeRacer. He a good guy and would use it wisely.



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