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very cool, i like the sound effects :)

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Petrik, all I can say is......AMAZING SIR! Thank You! headbang.gif

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Petrik, quick question, do we need to turn "Pair" On or Off for the DSM to activate the N2O.....or does it even matter? Thanks

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Yes, you need still to do that manually - until its fixed to automatic.


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Yes, you need still to do that manually - until its fixed to automatic.




Do you mean Turn it "off" Manually? Little confused by your answer....Sorry.

Thanks Petrik!



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You need to click Disable Pair button on Advanced settings to have it off from disturbing the nitrous control module.

Will synchronize it so that it is disabled automatically when I add some more features (fuel activation delay to compensate line lenght) to the nitrous controller.

This is still work in progress for testing purposes.

For tuning the fuel add the default settings is most likely way too rich for any normal configuration, as part of the testing I would expect us to find correct enrichment values for a given jet size(s).




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1st Harness is built....

Funny, with No LED hooked up in neutral and 1st gear the relay cycles at WOT with DSM button held, but lightly, and not enough to allow even an air solenoid (much smaller current to open than NOS solenoid). 

Just like gen 1 relay goes between ECU and battery, terminal with fuse holder goes to battery +, other terminal goes to battery -


2 pin molex connector just needs 2 pins crimped onto your solenoid, then insert into connector and plug in.


Pair valve just plug into the connector where octopus solenoid was connected.



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Holy dusty bike greg (or is that condensation from it being in the cold?)

Are you saying the pair is leaking some sort of pWN signal even when the software is set to 0 in first?

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actually bike is clean as hell, its sweaty as hell, been cold here and today its 45 degrees LOL

yes its leaking some, petrik is seeing same thing, yesterday with a relay and LED hooked to the circuit the led would blink dimly in 1st gear but relay wouldn't click

now relay clicks softly but doesn't actually activate the air solenoid i have connected to it



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Funny, with No LED hooked up in neutral and 1st gear the relay cycles at WOT with DSM button held, but lightly, and not enough to allow even an air solenoid (much smaller current to open than NOS solenoid).

Yes, there is ripple voltage (very small duty cycle out there). Will look into it when have time, should not really affect test use.



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Here is the harness off the bike.

The first 2 are setup for solenoid under the tank per Stocker and Toxxic's plans, but my generic one once tested to work etc will probably go to hump unless customer specifies differently.



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Name: Hayabusa ECUeditor for K2-K7, K8- and BKing models
Version: 2.1.0.33
- Ripple voltage duty 0% fixed, this may changed the solenoid running Hz slightly (-1/25).

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very nice work Petrik unbeailivable!!!

i have a question for us who use the quick shifter module do we have to use only ign cut or there is no problem with ign and fuel cut together?

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ign cut only doesn't seem to work very well, need both fuel and ignition cut.  I used that on my wife's bike with a 50 shot (230 hp on spray) and it shifted very good, air shifter, but kill is the same either air or quick shifter, i was using 60 ms kill time, which was a tad on the long side.

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well ok but imagine what is going to happen when only nitrous goes into the chamber with no fuel.

if u tested Greg then it shouldn't be any problem with that but if there is a problem then we must cut nos too when upshifting

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Name: Hayabusa ECUeditor for K2-K7, K8- and BKing models
Version: 2.1.0.33
- Ripple voltage duty 0% fixed, this may changed the solenoid running Hz slightly (-1/25).



Well Greg, Have you tested this yet? Get on it buddy!

 



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well ok but imagine what is going to happen when only nitrous goes into the chamber with no fuel.

if u tested Greg then it shouldn't be any problem with that but if there is a problem then we must cut nos too when upshifting



The problem is actually the opposite, If you only cut teh ignition and leave the fuel, both fuel and nitrous will enter the cylinder, and then the exhaust. This sometimes results in a loud exhaust backfire. Cutting the fuel prevents this for the most part.

 



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Family time now, got a dozen packages ready to ship this weekend for customers

-- Edited by smithabusa on Sunday 24th of January 2010 10:28:07 PM

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Here is the harness off the bike.

The first 2 are setup for solenoid under the tank per Stocker and Toxxic's plans, but my generic one once tested to work etc will probably go to hump unless customer specifies differently.



Looks Great Greg! smile Thanks for Jumping all over this Project for us......Says ALOT, when your not really even a N2O Guy! worship.gif

 



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wow i shure did miss alot while i was modifying the bike.....biggrin....thanks petrik, and greg.....smile

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i like it, just hate filling bottles, on my wifes bike with 2 lb bottle i only wanted to ride about 20 minutes, then bottle was empty and bike wasn't fun anymore LOL

no problem guys, excited to see if this works out perfect first time out for you guys.  You guys have access to dyno and wideband?

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Yeah, nitrous is pretty much for racing only. It would suck to have to fill bottles for the street.

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i like it, just hate filling bottles, on my wifes bike with 2 lb bottle i only wanted to ride about 20 minutes, then bottle was empty and bike wasn't fun anymore LOL

no problem guys, excited to see if this works out perfect first time out for you guys.  You guys have access to dyno and wideband?




I have a Wide Band(Wego3), and I'm going to call my Dyno Guy tomorrow and see if his Dyno is Still Down??? If not I will throw it on there As Well. smile



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smithabusa wrote:

Here is the harness off the bike.

The first 2 are setup for solenoid under the tank per Stocker and Toxxic's plans, but my generic one once tested to work etc will probably go to hump unless customer specifies differently.



Looks Great Greg! smile Thanks for Jumping all over this Project for us......Says ALOT, when your not really even a N2O Guy! worship.gif

 




 very nice greg, i still want to pay.....smile



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i will be installing a dual dry nozzle setup in the ram air tubes tomorrow...i will post some pics....biggrin

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Lookin Good Marc!(love the Side Winder) wink But is that Some Road Rash I see on Her???? cry



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Lookin Good Marc!(love the Side Winder) wink But is that Some Road Rash I see on Her???? cry



-- Edited by ToXSicK RoCKeT on Monday 25th of January 2010 05:06:41 AM

got 4000 dollars off for that...band was broken in the crate...i have been doing business with my local dealer for years.....biggrin

 



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Petrik , If you are running high fuel values already (Oxygenated fuel) and you are having a substantial hit of No2 The fuel value will exeed 300. Is this an issue or must one just check duty cycle of Injectors while spraying or fit bigger secondaries ?


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gen2 it was around 460 or so when duty cycle become an issue, with gen1 it was around 300.

I have this idea of putting a coloured duty cycle bar there to show where duty is running based on desktop benchmarking.



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Thanx for help Petrik , Pair boost control will be great .
Pure Genius the duty cycle bar.

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Lookin Good Marc!(love the Side Winder) wink But is that Some Road Rash I see on Her???? cry



-- Edited by ToXSicK RoCKeT on Monday 25th of January 2010 05:06:41 AM

got 4000 dollars off for that...band was broken in the crate...i have been doing business with my local dealer for years.....biggrin

 

 



Very Nice!!! biggrin

 



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petrik, i was editing the nitrous control module today, i was not able to edit the individual cells, rather i had to use cntrl + or - and it edited it that way in a % point of view, is this why you wanted % changes for the jet changes...?

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so the total % for duty cycle is a max value of 400 ?? right...smile

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Yes, editing is limited to +,-,*,/ last two working only when div/mul with 1.05 (i.e. 5%) is more than an integer.

Fuel row on the nitrous control module is more or less absolute % to fuel pulsewidth, but I have not tested this with gen2 in dyno myself yet so that is one item to be confirmed with testing. With gen1 when adding 10% to fuel you were good for 32-34 jet size etc.

Today received the following info on duty cycles (Thanks tor greg/ryan):
75-100% duty -> 100% flow
50% duty -> 75% flow
40% duty -> 50% flow
etc...
20% or less duty -> 0% flow

The duty cycle is another item to be confirmed over testing. We will get a picture of it when we have a couple of bikes tuned for differen duty%/fuel% settings. The rest we can calculate from jet/bottle pressures.

When we have this kind of basics right we can start to add gear ramping rates and injector delay times etc where the duty cycles are not anymore fixed.

EDIT - The max duty cycle if I remember correctly from scoping the fuel signal earlier was somewhere around 460-500 which is around 85-100% fuel add. This depends on pressure etc. Obviously the fuel pump needs to be already at values around 300 or the flow is not anymore constant. (This is an assumption knowing the pump volume, not exact tested number).

I will add at some point this kind of fuel pulsewidth information to the engine data monitoring screen in a more graphical and informative way than what it is today.







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nice! smile

 



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nice! smile

thanks b....going swb grudge racing this year......biggrin

 




 



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nice! smile

thanks b....going swb grudge racing this year......biggrin

 




 



mirrors and all will stay on the bike..........wink

 



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what do you have plan as far as motor work goes? i know you are going BIG...

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what do you have plan as far as motor work goes? i know you are going BIG...



only time will tell.......biggrin....i will be testing nitrous control for now......with a stock motor.....BUT i do have plans and plenty of parts........smile

 



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Sorry guys, off Topic for a Sec,
Marc, I need to see some Pics of the Back(Tail Section)of your Busa if I could Please? I would like to see the Factory Decals on that Paint scheme? Maybe you could send me some to my email? Thanks Bro
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i will be installing a dual dry nozzle setup in the ram air tubes tomorrow...i will post some pics....biggrin




 i hope to be using a spray bar when this gets sitiuadted out to work correctly....smile



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Sorry guys, off Topic for a Sec,

Marc, I need to see some Pics of the Back(Tail Section)of your Busa if I could Please? I would like to see the Factory Decals on that Paint scheme? Maybe you could send me some to my email? Thanks Bro
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 phil, whatever you need...i got plenty of pics while i was changing everything....lmk what you need....smile


phil,i an giong to download to photobucket...and send what i have to you...



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 thanks for joining us nick...maybe we can get ALOT of insight from your expertise with nitrous....AND with busa motors in general......MAYBE we can utilize your spray bar as a common spraybar in which we can test from........biggrin



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AWESOME!!!!!!!! smile So Glad to see you here Nick!

Fella'z, for some that may not know this Gentleman, allow Me to do the Honers, if I may? Nick AKA Gixx1300R, is a N20 Gawd(one of the Most informed Fast Gas Guru's I've ever spoke too). He make's and designs His own Spray Bar, Patten and Tested By him....Along with others that he has Put Numerous smiles on there Faces! He is a Site Sponsor on Hayabusa.Org as well as Psychobike.com. One of the Nicest and down to earth people there is...Cant say enough about him, GREAT GUY!

With our Sir Petrik, and Now Nick along with all the other countless AWESOME Folks on here, I know we are all in for a Ride........Very Exciting!!!!! w00t.gif 



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Ok Bro.... Enough patten ya on the back....Now get to work(lol). Start at page 1, and start reading......Let us know whatcha think? biggrin



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alright guy's i pm'ed nick....A.K.A gixx1300r or gixx1525r...i asked him if he had flowed his spraybar setup as low as 30 hp and he replied that he has flowed and documeneted it "as " low as 15hp....!...so i think we shoul estabilish a baseline using the same equipment so as the beta testers are testing the rest can follow, and the results and changes will be the same or "comparible"....so what does everyone think........?...heck...why not.....if anyone has anything better let us know....smile

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gixx has the ability to "accurately" measure the flow rate on his spray bars....if you have any questions.....he is now a registered member here...or i can provide his pm adresson "both" of the other premier busa sites......biggrin

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this guy has no problem when you ask him about spray patterns.....maybe he did his homework.....smile

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