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its no biggey mate, the auto tune is pretty easy to enhance for these sorts of things, i will take a look at it in the next couple of days.


 Justin,

That's wonderful. 

Thank you for all of your hard work with this effort and your work with ECU Editor upgrades.  I appreciate it and if you're ever in Tampa please let me know.  I'd like to repay you with beer(s).smile

 

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Free beer is always good beer ;) Could you send me one of your log files, so i can test when i have made the changes to the code EcuDataLogger@gmail.com

Cheers
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jkwool wrote:

Free beer is always good beer ;) Could you send me one of your log files, so i can test when i have made the changes to the code EcuDataLogger@gmail.com

Cheers
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 Yes...thank you.

 

A log will be on the way in 5 minutes.



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got it thanks, i will take a look at it tonight.

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I have just done a release with the boost filter for the tps map, You can enable this in the Auto Tune Settings screen. I have allowed the filter cut off value to be changed as well. Let me know if there are any issues with the way i have done this.

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jkwool wrote:

I have just done a release with the boost filter for the tps map, You can enable this in the Auto Tune Settings screen. I have allowed the filter cut off value to be changed as well. Let me know if there are any issues with the way i have done this.


 Justin,

 

I tried it and it works great!  If the rain ever stops in Tampa I'll make a few runs and test it again.  Thank you again sir.

 

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no worries mate.

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Justin,
The extended boost map seems to function properly. I was not able to fully test it as I still have an older interface and had to use the slow rate for the data logging. Only woudl get 1-2 points per dyno pull with the slow rate.

The boost reading on the main screen works as well, however I am not sure what units the values are in??

I think I cooked my motor due to an overboost, so it may be a bit before I have further opportunity to test.

John

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Ok cool thanks John, The values should be in the same format as used in the grid i.e. psi, i will double check for you though.

Cooked your motor... shiiit... hope its not as bad as it sounds.

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I don't even know how high the boost ended up going. I would imagine pretty high when powered by 10-11k rpm worth of hayabusa exhaust and a wastegate with a large amount of backside pressure applied, with ZERO pressure trying to open it!

I didn't have a thermocouple in the intake. Would have been cool to see how high the intake temps were with it being non intercooled.

Boost was high enough to blow the #4 boot from the bottom of the TB to the head off of the head spigot, even with the plenum straps bolted on.

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While looking at the logs, I also looked at the boost filter option. Seems to be working correctly. I did not do any autotuning of the maps, but the filter seems to be removing the boosted data logically with a change in the threshold boost value.

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ok cool, do you think it would be a logical next step to apply auto tune logic to the boost fuel maps to allow you to easily update the boost fuel map with changes based on logged data?

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I don't see why not. The issue I typically have is that there isn't really enough data in the boost fuel table to do auto tuning. Partially due to the older interface (I shoudl build a new one...), and partially due to the high HP making the run duration very short. I suppose I could add load to the dyno.

I think the option to have the auto tuning would be valid. Certainly wouldn't hurt to see that the auto tuned map would be. Should help for the lower boost street tuning where a great deal of data can be gathered.

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yes more data is better, fast interface would help with that but even so you will be limited in the amount of logs with the sort of full power bursts you do on a dyno.

I will take a look at the auto tune for boost fuel.

I am getting a prototype of a surface mount new style interface made at the moment, I will get a production run done when i have validated the design. Will let you know when i get this done as it would save you messing around building an interface.


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jgennaro wrote:
jkwool wrote:

I have just done a release with the boost filter for the tps map, You can enable this in the Auto Tune Settings screen. I have allowed the filter cut off value to be changed as well. Let me know if there are any issues with the way i have done this.


 Justin,

 

I tried it and it works great!  If the rain ever stops in Tampa I'll make a few runs and test it again.  Thank you again sir.

 

Jason


 Justin,

I ran through a few more logs and the boost filter works great. 

I do have one question.  Should the boost filter also work with the auto-tune?  I ask this because I did a little test with the existing logs filtering the boost in the TPS map and the auto-tune still included boost values when I tried to auto-tune.  I found that strange since the boost filter removed the boost values in the TPS map but included boost values when auto-tune was enabled. 

Thank you sir.

 

Jason

  



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yes more data is better, fast interface would help with that but even so you will be limited in the amount of logs with the sort of full power bursts you do on a dyno.

I will take a look at the auto tune for boost fuel.

I am getting a prototype of a surface mount new style interface made at the moment, I will get a production run done when i have validated the design. Will let you know when i get this done as it would save you messing around building an interface.


 

hurry up i am getting tired of building the old ones LOL.


Can't wait to see them Justin :)



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 Justin,

I ran through a few more logs and the boost filter works great. 

I do have one question.  Should the boost filter also work with the auto-tune?  I ask this because I did a little test with the existing logs filtering the boost in the TPS map and the auto-tune still included boost values when I tried to auto-tune.  I found that strange since the boost filter removed the boost values in the TPS map but included boost values when auto-tune was enabled. 

Thank you sir.

Jason  


 The boost filter should definately work in the auto tune as it does the filtering when loading the file, do you actually see log values in the panes on the right side of the window with positive boost values or do you just see the auto tune smoothing map areas where there is no logged data?



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hurry up i am getting tired of building the old ones LOL.


Can't wait to see them Justin :)


 got an email from china yesterday, they have finished the board for the surface mount usb new style interface, hopefully they wll assemble it in and send it back to me for testing next week!



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 Justin,

I ran through a few more logs and the boost filter works great. 

I do have one question.  Should the boost filter also work with the auto-tune?  I ask this because I did a little test with the existing logs filtering the boost in the TPS map and the auto-tune still included boost values when I tried to auto-tune.  I found that strange since the boost filter removed the boost values in the TPS map but included boost values when auto-tune was enabled. 

Thank you sir.

Jason  


 The boost filter should definately work in the auto tune as it does the filtering when loading the file, do you actually see log values in the panes on the right side of the window with positive boost values or do you just see the auto tune smoothing map areas where there is no logged data?


Here is the logged data with boost.

Here is the logged data with boost filtered.

This is what it looks like when I auto-tune with the boost filter on.

Auto-tune is changing values in the 30% TPS and higher even though the boost values weren't in the logged data with the boost filter on.  I'm not a computer savy guy but I know that I'm filtering the boost values and it's still auto-tuning using boost data because it's changing the colors and values of the data in the 30% and higher TPS table. 

I checked this by auto-tuning the TPS map then comparing it to the original map.  I saw it made changes in the 65 - 90% TPS areas.  Here's what it gave me in map compare:

I think I understand what you're talking about in the pane window on the right.  I noticed when I click on those values in auto-tune with boost they don't show up; however, the boosted values still make it in the map when you auto-tune.

Am I screwing something up here or am doing this correctly?

Thank you for your help.

 

Jason 

  



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The explanation is that you are experiencing how the smoothing algorithm works.

If you wish to remove  that level of smoothing, try to set the level to 0, which

disables smoothing totally. In particular level 9 (and 19) are the one that might

produce the unexpected smoothing, since they act even if there are no logged data at all (try to see the smoothed map on a bin file before loading any logged data to realize it).

 



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The explanation is that you are experiencing how the smoothing algorithm works.

If you wish to remove  that level of smoothing, try to set the level to 0, which

disables smoothing totally. In particular level 9 (and 19) are the one that might

produce the unexpected smoothing, since they act even if there are no logged data at all (try to see the smoothed map on a bin file before loading any logged data to realize it).

 


 Yep.  You're right.  I didn't realize the smoothing level affected the auto-tune that much.

Thank you.  I learned something today.

 

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it should be possible to disable the closed loop with the stock o2 sensor while still allowing it to be data logged, which should correct this behavior. I will add this to the list of things for me to investigate...


 

Thank you Justin, I think this should be the priority 1 thing to improve in autotune.

After 5 months of intensive autotuning with the stock O2 sensor,

I'm back to the stock map and it is way better than what I got.

It took me some time but I realized that instead of a convergence

to the target AFR values, a sequensce of autotuning degenerates the map.

Avoiding the  "closed loop" effect is probably the reason that makes wideband sensors really effective compared to the stock o2 sensor.


 Hi, it would be good for "normal" users to bring the O2-sensor into open loop AND log AFR. When I uncheck HOX-sensor in advanced settings (ee version 2.5.0.25) I can´t log AFR.

What would happen, if I connect a wideband (0-5V) to pin 12? Doesn´t the ECU have problems to deal with that, because it expects 0-1V for closed loop operation? Hope I´m not to dumb to understand but Ididn´t found this in this tread...

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its on my to do list to disable closed loop while still allowing narrowband o2 sensor to be logged, other requests have taken priority recently. The AD (analog digital) converter on the ecu that is connected to pin 12 is able to record values in the 0-5v range with an 10 bit dept i.e. 0-1023, for wideband data logging i disable the stock o2 sensor and reference the 10bit pin 12 AD value in the engine data packet. The ecu handles this perfectly and logs the 10bit wideband o2 value in engine data logging allowing this to be used in the auto tune module.

To make use of the 0-5v wideband O2 data logging, you need to enable this in Advanced settings, this is available for gen 2 busa, bking and gixxer models.

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Justin,

Now that I got the smoothing thing figured out I've made 8 or 9 runs today and the boost filter worked perfect. In addition, being able to filter the boost made tuning the TPS map much easier.

The bike off boost is much more crip and responsive. Thank you for all of your help again.

Jason

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ok cool, thanks for the feedback! good to hear you bike is running better ;)

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I just came across this software while looking at some Moto2/3 ECU info. Had a quick play with it, so far I am impressed. 

http://www.pklab.net/pkm/tiki-index.php



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I just took a look at your software, looks interesting, similar concept to what we have done with the auto tune in ecueditor.

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The PKM software uses a simplistic (from a user perspective) data import feature. Is it possible to incorporate this into ecueditor?

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The PKM software uses a simplistic (from a user perspective) data import feature. Is it possible to incorporate this into ecueditor?


 Why is this needed? The best, most accurate and easiest way is to log data directly in ecueditor.



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I already have a DL-32 for SD card data acquisition I don't want to have a laptop in a back pack for logging.  

I am looking for a simple method for importing AFR, TPS, RPM, IAP.  Trying to convert AFR via excel has proven to be beyond my current means.  Timestamp format is also problematic.

Is someone producing a SD solution that records the data in EE format?



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Ok, i can understand now why you want the import functionality, i guess it is possible but not a high priority, especially since there is a better alternative in directly logging engine data available.

Yes I am working on a couple of different solutions for logging the engine data natively via a plug in log box as well as a bluetooth interface both of which will have micro sd card logging built in allowing you to open logged data directly by plugging in a usb cable (or over bluetooth for the bluetooth device) and flash changes back to the ecu.

More info is available here :
http://ecuhacking.activeboard.com/t39901968/wireless-bluetooth-upgrade-to-ecu-harness/


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If a lc1 wideband o2 sensor is connected and the ecu advanced settings set to wideband does the ecu run in open loop and allow loging data?

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Yes if you have enabled wideband in advanced settings you will see that the stock O2 sensor is disabled. This allows wideband data to be fed into the O2 sensor pin on the ecu and logged along side engine data.

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Thanks for the reply, I have a new header with the 18mm bung and a new LC1 that I am ready to install. I tested with the stock narrow band while waiting on the new parts and with the ecu in closed loop it was deteriorating the iap map with every iteration.

I look forward to downloading the source code and possibly contributing to the future development, I have 20+ years of C programming experience as well as building and tuning gasoline and methanol race engines for late model stock cars.



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Ok cool, welcome. Feel free to check out the source code on bitbucket https://bitbucket.org/ecueditor/ecueditor/overview . ECUEditor is written in vb.net which takes some getting used to if you have come from a c background but I am sure you will pick it up. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

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My roots are in C and C++ but I have done my share of VB and VBA code over the years, my main business is industrial automation but I have ventured in to the business world and developed applications in VB for complete accounting solutions to run a business.  

Look forward to testing the ecu in open loop with a wideband o2 sensore, this is good stuff.



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Rblackard wrote:

Thanks for the reply, I have a new header with the 18mm bung and a new LC1 that I am ready to install. I tested with the stock narrow band while waiting on the new parts and with the ecu in closed loop it was deteriorating the iap map with every iteration.

I look forward to downloading the source code and possibly contributing to the future development, I have 20+ years of C programming experience as well as building and tuning gasoline and methanol race engines for late model stock cars.


 

I noticed the same problem. The onyl workaround I found so far is to use a

IAP Target AFR which mimic precisely the AFR values that the closed loop is

trying to force. Here my current IAP Target AFR:

 

 

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Working with C and VBasic is pretty simple, the big step is working at the

assembly level and especially the "reverse assembly" level, a kind of

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Hey people,
Just starting to autotune the new setup and trying to get a better idea of how I should go with the smoothing as Im not really sure how strong the feature is at the moment. Is the idea to keep smoothing high in the early stages of tuning to get the map close and then turn it off as the map gets closer to dial it in... what is considered a high/ average/ low level of smoothing? Will be experimenting, but tune is off a fair bit at the moment and dont want to attempt to run before I can walk with this and break something.

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It is very unlikely that smoothing make a worse map,

is somebody ever noticed such a case let me know and

I'll fix the alghoritm. That said you can safely use the highest

level of smoothing: 18 or 19. Try to compare maps generated

with and without smoothing so you get a better feeling.

 



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OK Thanks for that, guess its nothing to worry about I will leave it as standard and have a play with it down the track.

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Hello i want to buy new interface ecueditor login box and nitrous control module for my hayabusa 2009 ecu i am from italy and I want to buy mps nitrous kit or htp  pulsoid kit.

are the first in Italy to want to do this and would like your help. 

special thanks to ballad2 that here in Italy is a great help for my progect.

thanks for your help and for your important advice even on Nitrous kits to buy because herein Italy are the first to want to do on hayabusa




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to use nitrous with ecueditor you would have to use the busa bin in the gixxer. this is possible. Greg Smith from BoostBySmith.com should be able to help you out with the harness http://www.boostbysmith.com/ecunos2.html

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ok thanks

I   just have to see which kit to choose MPS or HTP 

 

buy 'new interface login box when available thanks



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hurry up i am getting tired of building the old ones LOL.

 

 

when it is ready the new interface?

 



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very soon :) pcb design and production always takes longer than you think!

 

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jkwool wrote:

very soon :) pcb design and production always takes longer than you think!

 

wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww  biggrinbiggrinbiggrin 

I'm happy with this guys are great !!!!! Long live America!

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 wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww  biggrinbiggrinbiggrin 

I'm happy with this guys are great !!!!! Long live America!

I agree with your sentiment mate, long live america, but i come from the land down under (Australia) ha ha ha.



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jkwool wrote:
rodolforoad wrote:

 wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww  biggrinbiggrinbiggrin 

I'm happy with this guys are great !!!!! Long live America!

I agree with your sentiment mate, long live america, but i come from the land down under (Australia) ha ha ha.

 

ahahahah ok ok long live america long live australia and long live italy and hayabusa world bikers biggrin



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Very nice. 

How much longer do you think on the log box?

i use a wideband commander to log and make changes myself for now.  I have my 1441, ported head, cams, nitrous, etc..  all tuned pretty well 100% throttle at the drag strip.  Every thing inbetween needs to be done though.  I am also working on a few other gen 2 busas that I need to tune.  I would like to be able to use auto tune so I can do it alot quicker and easier.  I would like to get a log box, but if it is not available I will get the new interface when it is available and get some sort of small laptop, tablet, etc. to be able to use auto tune on the bike.

 

thank you

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New interfaces are just about ready, they have been assembled and the cases are being CNC machined,

Log Box is still in prototype, i have pcb's made and software ready to go, just need to assemble pcb's and test, this will happen in the new year!

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