K7 project documentation notes

PetriK · Guru

K7 project documentation notes

PetriK · Guru

... and some more info...

PetriK · Guru

Hayabusa G2 resistances, MOD0
+5V pin 11 - MOD0 pin 28 = 49K
Sensor GND pin pin 29 - MOD0 pin 28 = 46K

Hayabusa G2 resistances, RST
+5V pin 11 - RST pin 25 = 3K
Sensor GND pin pin 29 - RST pin 25 = 50K

Gixxer K7 resistances
+5V pin 7 - pin 17 = 12K
+5V pin 7 - pin 5 = 5K
+5V pin 7 - pin 29 = 47K
+5V pin 7 - pin 30 = n/a

GND pin 36 - pin 17 = 14K
GND pin 36 - pin 5 = 6K
GND pin 36 - pin 29 = 46K
GND pin 36 - pin 30 = n/a

When busa running
RST = 5V
MOD0 = 16mv

When Gixxer running
pin 5 = 5V
pin 17 = 5V
pin 29 = 17mv
pin 30 = Raising milivolts from 10 to 60 when connected

So its posible that Gixxer pins are following
Pin 29 is likely MOD0 based on voltage
Pin 17 is a possible candidate as RST based on resistance
Pin 5 function is uncertain as it is normally all grounded
Pin 66 is a likely candidate for a map select switch.

As a next step I need to go to the shop and pick up Yoshbox and SDS connectors from a busa harness and build a temporary programming test environment.

PetriK · Guru

Anyone knows where to get a set of 1 male and 3 female Gixxer K7-K8 ECU connectors ?

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

Hi Petrik
I have a complete harness in spare
is what of any help

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

A useful place for connectors
http://www.dataspares.com/acatalog/Connectors_.html

didnt se the k7 ecu ones , maybe an email sorts that
info@dataspares.com

PetriK · Guru

Thanks for the link. Please feel free to ask this over email or use other ways to locate the connector.

In the meanwhile and while waiting for the connector info I will concentrate on finetuning the 2 step limiter and 5bar boost sensor for busas.

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

See
http://ecuhacking.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=99460&p=3&topicID=33629394

PetriK · Guru

Excellent - now all we need is a place that has these on stock. Mouser europe was showing 0 (zero) units in stock - so need a place to buy a few.

sportbikeryder · Guru

These distributors are listed as JAE connector distributors on the JAE website. May not have any in stock, but may be worth a try:

Seppo Honkanen
ELFA Elektroniikka Oy
Karvaamokuja 1
00380 HELSINKI
FINLAND
Tel. +358 9 560 50 104
Fax. +358 9 560 50 100
GSM 040-9006867

Farnell
Latokartonontie 7B,
FIN-00700 Helsinki,
Finland
Tel: +358 9 560 77 80
Email: myynti@farnell.com
Website: fi.farnell.com

Future Electronics
Ayritie 12c, FIN 01510 VANTA
Helsinki
Finland.
Tel: +358 9 525 99515
Fax: +358 9 455 1050

Rutronik
Mannerheimintie 12 B, 00100 Helsinki, Finland.
Tel: +358 2516 6300
Faxl: +358 9 2516 6157

sportbikeryder · Guru

In the US, this company is showing stock available (QTY 3) @ $13.50 US each

MX23A36SF2

http://estore.heilind.com/search.asp

www.heilind.com

PetriK · Guru

Thanx John, I need

1 x MX23A36NF1 or alike
3 x MX23A36SF2 or alike

The NF1 was not in stock at Heilind either. 2 Connectors are needed for desktop emulator and 1+1 connectors are needed for dyno programming cable.

If you guys buy me these I will paypal you the costs and postage for the items to me. Right now I have to time to try to hunt these by calling to various places or searching from internet so need to rely on someone locating a source. My focus for coming weeks is limited and therefore will be tightly on finalizing the SSI 5bar boostfuel conversion (1 hour initially) and then dragtools traction control for Gen2 (estimating some 20 hours work for that). Additionally I will test the programmatibility of the Gixxer ECU (appr 2-4 hours work).

sportbikeryder · Guru

MX23A36SF2 (26mm connector key spacing):
http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ105853.pdf

MX23A36SF1 (28.4mm connector key spacing):
http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ105852.pdf

MX23A36NF1 (note 28.4mm dimension in upper left corner view of header):
http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ105855.pdf

Both of the "F1" varients with 28.4mm key spacing are in stock and available stateside through Digi-key. I do not have any gsxr bikes available to me. If someone can confirm the correct connector, I can order and ship to Finland.

John

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

Key spacing is 28.4mm

sportbikeryder · Guru

Good to know, so it looks like the F1 variants are the proper ones. Pins are also available.

PetriK · Guru

OK, then it shall be F1. Let me know your paypal over email or something...

1 x MX23A36NF1 or alike male
3 x MX23A36SF1 or alike female

PetriK · Guru

Hooked up some temporary wiring from the busa testbench to the gixxer K7 ecu, here you are with some quick testing results...

- ecueditor.com enginedata works, gives all the errorcodes
- ecueditor.com verify ecu command works and is downloading the code from Gixxer ecu right now

All this looks very promising at this stage !!!

TNG · Member

There are few moments until the new year begins, and you're still working! smile

Good job Petrik!

-- Edited by TNG on Thursday 30th of December 2010 06:47:34 PM

-- Edited by TNG on Thursday 30th of December 2010 06:47:58 PM

PetriK · Guru

Not really working, this is just a hobby to relax a bit...

This is now the starting point, rest should be timeconsuming hard work to get at least the same functionality as bking has. Anyone with some programming skills would be most appreciated to help with this.

PetriK · Guru

Some more notes here... the limiters structure is a bit different than what busa and bking are - but should be fairly easy to convert the limiters screen. Only timeconsuming...

000614BE Fuel_limiter_softcut_or_hardcut_unk_614BE:.byte 0x80
000614C1 Fuelcut_by_gear_on_off_flag_default0x80_unk_614C1:.byte 0x80
000614C2 Fuelcut_by_gear_soft_hardcut_flag_default0x80_elseoff_unk_614C2:.byte 0x80

00061372 RPM_limit_type1_fuel_limiter_word_61372:.short 0x45D
00061374 RPM_limit_type1_fuel_limiter_word_61374:.short 0x45B
00061376 RPM_limit_type1_fuel_limiter_word_61376:.short 0x459
00061378 RPM_limit_type1_fuel_limiter_word_61378:.short 0x457
0006137A RPM_limit_type2_fuel_hard_low_fuel_limiter_word_6137A:.short 0x46C
0006137C RPM_limit_type2_fuel_hard_high_fuel_limiter_word_6137C:.short 0x468
0006137E RPM_limit_type3_fuel_hard_neutral_limit_low_fuel_limiter_word_6137E:.short 0x48F
00061380 RPM_limit_type3_fuel_hard_neutral_limit_high_fuel_limiter_word_61380:.short
0006138C gear3_word_6138C:.short 0x8D00
00061390 gear3_word_61390:.short 0x9100
00061394 gear4_word_61394:.short 0x8D00
00061398 gear4_word_61398:.short 0x9100
0006139C gear5_word_6139C:.short 0x8D00
000613A0 gear5_word_613A0:.short 0x9100
000613A4 gear6_word_613A4:.short 0x8200
000613A8 gear6_word_613A8:.short 0x8280
000613AC gear3_word_613AC:.short 0x8700
000613B0 gear4_word_613B0:.short 0x8700
000613B4 gear5_word_613B4:.short 0x8700
000613B8 gear6_word_613B8:.short 0x8700

PetriK · Guru

Also fuelmaps seem to contain alike stucture as busa...

Fuel_IAP_off_5A7F0
Fuel_IAP_idle_off_5A850
fuel_TPS_table_off_5A8B0
Fuel_TPS_idle_off_5A910

This means that fuel map tuning should be very very easy to be made available for Gixxer K7-

PetriK · Guru

I think that as always a picture tells more than words...

Hayabusa ECUeditor for K2-K7, K8- and BKing models

Version: 2.5.0.31

www.ecueditor.com

Name:

PetriK · Guru

Now looking for persons interested in contributing to the project to bring it up the same level as other Suzukis...

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288413

PetriK · Guru

PetriK · Guru

Twice · Senior Member

Fast work man! Wonderful!

smithabusa · Guru

3wheelracer wrote:

Hi Petrik
I have a complete harness in spare
is what of any help

any chance you could get a photo of a ecu pin extracted from the ecu connector? Trying to figure out what they are.

Greg

PetriK · Guru

3wheelracer wrote:

Hi Petrik
I have a complete harness in spare
is what of any help

Sorry - completely missed this message. yes a full harness would help - i would just strip the connectors off and leave 20cm wires, but I have understood that also the connectors are on the way so no reason to destroy a harness...

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

smithabusa wrote:

3wheelracer wrote:

Hi Petrik
I have a complete harness in spare
is what of any help

any chance you could get a photo of a ecu pin extracted from the ecu connector? Trying to figure out what they are.

Greg

have a look at this 2 pics, let me know if you need another angle

Edit : looks like the upload funktion compressed the pics, where do you want them if they show what your looking for?

Edit2: uploaded pics
ECU connector
Harness connector

-- Edited by 3wheelracer on Saturday 1st of January 2011 07:56:55 PM

-- Edited by 3wheelracer on Sunday 2nd of January 2011 10:10:11 AM

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

PetriK wrote:

3wheelracer wrote:

Hi Petrik
I have a complete harness in spare
is what of any help

Sorry - completely missed this message. yes a full harness would help - i would just strip the connectors off and leave 20cm wires, but I have understood that also the connectors are on the way so no reason to destroy a harness...

and the harness would only sort your need for cable connectors, the ecu connctor side I dont have extra. So maybe the orded connetors is more suited.
If it would help you in any other testing I would be happy to send it to you

Maj750 · Guru

PetriK in the version 51 i downloaded the fuel tables only have complete numbers to 99 beyond that all that shows is 1--

nice work by the way :)

PetriK · Guru

Maj750 wrote:

PetriK in the version 51 i downloaded the fuel tables only have complete numbers to 99 beyond that all that shows is 1--

nice work by the way :)

Thanks for the feedback - I think this has something to do with screen settings and fonts on the computer used. On my two different computer all numbers are visible.

Please feel free to check other .bins with file/new command too for this.

sportbikeryder · Guru

smithabusa wrote:

3wheelracer wrote:

Hi Petrik
I have a complete harness in spare
is what of any help

any chance you could get a photo of a ecu pin extracted from the ecu connector? Trying to figure out what they are.

Greg

Seems to be the same series as the GEN2 Busa. Busa uses the 34 pin varient though while the K7 seems to be using a 36 pin (not even listed in the overview)

JAE Transportation connector overview:
http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/JAE%20PDFs/Transportation%20Selection%20Guide.pdf

MX23A connectors (doesn't show the 36 pin one though)

http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/MB-0094-2E_MX23A.pdf

Plug:

http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ105852.pdf

Header:

http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ105855.pdf

Pin:

http://jae-connector.com/en/pdf/SJ036377.pdf

Maj750 · Guru

All applications from the 02-07 busa to the new gix1k are doing the same thing to me with v51 , i am running xp home edition

smithabusa · Guru

I think it's font size, had same thing with my new win7 computer at first, went to a smaller font and all was well

Maj750 · Guru

Ok tried that and still the same, did have large font and back to normal, changed zoom level and no diff

The gix.com thread was pulled as they considered it advertising.WTF... if it doesn't get reinstated i will just put a link to here up as there are potentially guys out there that could be involved if they were aware this was happening..

PetriK · Guru

This may be a too technical forum for most folks. A less technical forum could be e.g.
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=151939.0

But if you can help in getting reinstated that would be best choise...

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

Somthing weird with attaching links on this forum
tried twice and both new post and edited post are now gone
so here are the link to the images in plane text so you have to copy and paste

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/8399/gixk7ecu.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8903/gsxrecu36pinconnector1.jpg

-- Edited by 3wheelracer on Sunday 2nd of January 2011 10:13:53 AM

PetriK · Guru

It may be so that imageshack generates images per request ?

Anyway, could you open up the connector tho show one pin ?

Blackgixxer · Veteran Member

Pins are the same as on the 1000 K6 and also on the Gen2 Busa.

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

connector opened up
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4018/gixk7ecuconnectordisass.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5161/gixk7ecuconnectorpin2.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/9693/gixk7ecuconnectorpin3.jpg

smithabusa · Guru

anyone able to measure distance from ECU to the Yosh and SDS connectors (black 8 pin and white 6 pin connectors)? On the gen 2 busa they are located under the seat. This is where my flasher would plug in, pics can be seen here for connector type and shape www.boostbysmith.com/ecugen2.html

Greg

3wheelracer · Veteran Member

Not used to the terms sds and yosh connector
assumed sds in this EU harness is 6 pin white with 4 leads B/W ,Grey ,O/g & W/r
and the yosh one black 8pin with 6 leads red, darkblue-yellow , black-brown ,darkblue-white , darkblue-black

Se pics with centimeters on the ruler
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/2772/ecutosds.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4001/ecutosds2.jpg

if you should wire from the black Ecu connector to the yosh connector same way as harrness goes it wold be 28cm , black ecu to sds 32 cm
from grey to yosh 58cm , to sds 61cm

Manzo · Veteran Member

Hi Petrik,
Glad yo see you are working on the K7 1000,
just a quick question: Do you plan to add the Coil FI off feature for the K7 like you have for the busas ?

I am interested in this feature in particular for an annoying problem we ( K7 track users ) get on our bikes
once we install aftermarket spark/skipping TractionControls for track use.
The common "workaround" for the problem is to install the dynoJet ignition module that seems to filter off the problem,
but its a dirty trick and its not exactly cheap ;)

Also another question: the base k7 map you generate on your software,
is that an EU , US o CA map ?

Would you consider "Crazy" to try to tune a real world K7 Ecu at this stage ?
Am i better off waiting for a later release ?

thank you and keep up the splendid work ;)

PetriK · Guru

Hi,

Its early days for gixxers - if your pull the ecu code from your own ecu with verify/read command then you can see from maps if those make sense to you.

If maps make sense then flashing your own program back should be fairly safe - anyhow its your call. I am quite confident that there may be errors, but those we can find only with testing.

I am grateful for any feedback from real world flashing.

rgds, petrik

BUZKA · Senior Member

Great job..
If You need any real life testing,flashing:).
I'll buy spare ECU (and key) just for the tests..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUZUKI-GSXR-1000-K7-K8-ECU-CDI-2-keys-blank-blades-/320630673377?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4aa713cfe1#ht_500wt_1156

1/4 mile will be good test backround..

Regards from Poland.

-- Edited by BUZKA on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 08:43:41 AM

Balojohn · Member

smithabusa wrote:

anyone able to measure distance from ECU to the Yosh and SDS connectors (black 8 pin and white 6 pin connectors)? On the gen 2 busa they are located under the seat. This is where my flasher would plug in, pics can be seen here for connector type and shape www.boostbysmith.com/ecugen2.html

Greg

The SDS & Yoshi connectors are located under the seat and are right above the ECU. I'm using these connectors to program my EM-PRO.

If I can do anything else to help,let me know.I have the stock ECU ( EU version) and a spare harness collecting dust in my garage. hmm

And some other thoughts.

-The K7/K8 1000 and K9/L0 ECU pinout is identical. Even the colors on the K9 wire harness are the same as the k7 1000 according to the manual. So my guess is that whatever pins are for programming the K7 will be the same for the K9.

- The Bl/W wire that goes to the Yoshi plug is pin #52,I'm using this pin ( grounding it) to activate my quickshifter in the EM-PRO.

-- Edited by Balojohn on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 07:48:12 AM

-- Edited by Balojohn on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 08:15:37 AM

-- Edited by Balojohn on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 08:18:39 AM

Manzo · Veteran Member

Petrik,

I am not sure if i understood the interfacing process...
Can you confirm that for 1000 K7 the Gen2 ttl cable is used ?
Same pinout ? Can i just buy a gen2 busa cable ?

Basicaly i have to reroute 2 pins from Ecu connector to Yoshbox connector ??

PetriK · Guru

Have a look at http://www.ecueditor.com and click interface. That will give you information about gen2 and newer gixxer wiring.

-- Edited by PetriK on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 09:32:30 AM

Manzo · Veteran Member

Thank you Petrik,
Going to study the hardware right now.
Just couple more questions and i will be ready
to order the required hardware, download my code and start messing with it ;)

From your experience with Denso ecus, is there a "failsafe" mechanism ?
What i mean, if after reading the code, changing something and reflashing,
for some reasons the data get corrupted, does the Ecu remain in boot/flash mode
so i can upload again che original code without the need to access the Jtag ?

will i risk to "brick" my ecu ??

Does your Ecueditor understand a k8 euro file structure ? ?

If not i will be forced to use your supplyed base map as reference and?

compare the data curves in graphical mode to find the equivalent in the k8 structure.?

Do i need to care about the checksum of the modified code, maybe bringing it back
to the original checksum changing bogus values somewhere ?
I know it may sound strange but i have experience in car ecu flashing and
the questions i asked are common nightmares in cars world ;)

-- Edited by Manzo on Tuesday 4th of January 2011 10:18:02 AM