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RE: idle timing map


You dont realy need to reset ISC,
that will force the ISC into the new position
and make things faster, but even if you dont
reset the ISC, the idle will eventualy slowly reach your target speed.


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Manzo wrote:

You dont realy need to reset ISC,
that will force the ISC into the new position
and make things faster, but even if you dont
reset the ISC, the idle will eventualy slowly reach your target speed.


 Ok Cool! When I Tried it without Re-Setting the ISC it Stated Right around 1150rpm's(and I had 1400rpms Flashed into EE). Maybe I did something wrong on that Flash? I will have to give it another go without resetting ISC and see what Happen's. smile

In General though, I would Assume, Resetting the ISC would be a Good practice to get into if your Messing with idle Speeds? (JMO Though)

Glad it Worked for You as well! So that's (2) successful Idle Flash Changes. wink

Anyone else?



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If you dont reset the ISC, it may take 1-2 minutes to
reach the desired idle, just give your bike time,
but resetting the isc doesnt hurt if you are in a hurry hehe


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well i tried for about an hour....reflashd many times...resetted the isc many times (well i pressed the isc reset icon, is it supposed to give you confirmation it resetted? because i press the icon, but have no clue if it does anything) anyhow, i cant get it to work...im puzzled my idle is still as stock. maybe if i send you my bin file you can see something justin? i reflashed using 2.5.5.99 where should i send my bin file?

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turbor wrote:

well i tried for about an hour....reflashd many times...resetted the isc many times (well i pressed the isc reset icon, is it supposed to give you confirmation it resetted? because i press the icon, but have no clue if it does anything) anyhow, i cant get it to work...im puzzled my idle is still as stock. maybe if i send you my bin file you can see something justin? i reflashed using 2.5.5.99 where should i send my bin file?


Hmmmm...... Turbor, when You are Resetting the ICS in the Data Screen, Are you Making Sure that it is Fully Connected in the Com Port? (Meaning, if you Twist the Throttle does the TPS info change on Your Screen, Ect?)

Also Yes, when you Hit the Reset ICS Tab Nothing will Pop up, Beep or will You Physically Know it's Resetting...... I guess we Just have to take it as it's working.(Definitely Seemed to Work for Me!)

Lastly, I did Notice I had to let the Bike Run for a lil Bit b4 it would Raise and STAY at the New Set RPM........ It was Not Instantaneously (I even Revved it a Few Times..... Not Sure if this did anything or Not?) Also I Made Sure My Bike was Warmed up all the way.... Fan was Cycling on & off.

Just some thoughts that Might Help Narrow down why it's Not working for You??

On a Side Note, does anyone Know what the Update from 2.5.5.98 to .99 intale's? Just wonder what was Changed? (Maybe Justin can answer this?)



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yes it is fully connected in the com port, green com light and yes the tps changes when id twist the throttle :) i did let the bike run for more than 5 min, gave it throttle... also the reset ics icon isent there in engine data when my motor is running only with key on and engine not running, is that normal? another thing, not sure if i have the latest version of ee on my home cpu but in engine data i have the option to turn the fan on and off, on my laptop i use for ee that has the latest version of ee that option isent there, is that normal, did this option ge removed in later versions? trying to figure out if maybe i have some sort of problem with my engine data screen. darn i was looking foward so mutch to being able to raise the idle...

toxsick have you tried to raise the idle using 2.5.5.99? maybe i should have tried with 2.5.5.98  and reset the ics before jumping straight to the new version this morning before trying

 



-- Edited by turbor on Monday 21st of May 2012 05:34:05 PM

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Turbor, the .99 is the right one.

The difference between your home Pc and laptop is
caused by the different screen resolution, probably your
laptop cant display the entire screen so the fan buttons get cut out.

You have to reset the Isc without the engine running,
just switch ON your key, connect to Ecueditor, and reset Isc,
without the engine running.



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Manzo wrote:

Turbor, the .99 is the right one.

The difference between your home Pc and laptop is
caused by the different screen resolution, probably your
laptop cant display the entire screen so the fan buttons get cut out.

You have to reset the Isc without the engine running,
just switch ON your key, connect to Ecueditor, and reset Isc,
without the engine running.

 

thats the way im doing it!


 



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the only difference between .98 and .99 is the update of ther serial driver install .exe file, so nothing really.

Maybe you have a problem with the isc valve?



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jkwool wrote:

the only difference between .98 and .99 is the update of ther serial driver install .exe file, so nothing really.

Maybe you have a problem with the isc valve?


Good thought Justin,

turbor, are you getting any Trouble Codes on the Data Screen? Maybe turn "ON" Debugging Feature and use the "Stop/Reset Engine" tab to stop & start the bike a Few times while the data screen is still connected to the com port? Another Words, Cycle the engine running a few times but do NOT turn the Key switch off & see if it throws a code? (Hope this Makes Sense)



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ToXSicK RoCKeT wrote:
jkwool wrote:

the only difference between .98 and .99 is the update of ther serial driver install .exe file, so nothing really.

Maybe you have a problem with the isc valve?


Good thought Justin,

turbor, are you getting any Trouble Codes on the Data Screen? Maybe turn "ON" Debugging Feature and use the "Stop/Reset Engine" tab to stop & start the bike a Few times while the data screen is still connected to the com port? Another Words, Cycle the engine running a few times but do NOT turn the Key switch off & see if it throws a code? (Hope this Makes Sense)


 i dont have any codes in the date screen. the isc valve functions properly as i tried raising it with the sds tool couple of weeks ago and i could put it anywhere i wanted, but as soon as we shut the sds down it would revert to 1150, we called suzuki and thats normal as the sds isc function is only to test the isc not modify the stock data.   i wonder if its my bin file that has something...im going to try and reflash it with a stock usa bin file for fun.



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well i made progress!!! the problem is indeed in my bin file... i generated a new gen 2 bin file set idle at 1400 reset isc and flashed...presto 1400rpm idle right away...reset isc reflashed my bin file....idle went back to 1150... could you look at it justin? if not im going to have to put all my fuel and timing number one by one in a new map.... this is going to be a long process, i think it can be done with another program as copy paste...but this is out of my competence lol. what email addy ca i send my bin file to?thanks again!!! this bin file started as the 1441 gen 2 bin file on gregs site.

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If you need to rebuild a file, copy each table to Excel or other spreadsheet and then re-paste into a new .bin.

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copy paste function doesent work in ee....im a total noob for this kind of stuff.

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to copy / paste

select cells from map

press ctrl key + c key (this copies selected cells)

put cursor in top left cell of where you want to past to

press ctrl key + v (this pastes to the cells starting from the top left cell)

hope this helps



-- Edited by jkwool on Tuesday 22nd of May 2012 02:00:45 AM

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no it doesent... control and c key in ee doesent do anything, in excell it does... do you open the bin file directly in excell? prob not as i cant do it lol... i think im going to be stuck doing it cell by cell this is going to be long...anybody feel like doing it for me loooool

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I have no problem copy /paste , but i highlight and use ctrl c and ctrl v ,its the top left to paste that caught me out initially when i first started

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sorry just ammended my post below, ctrl + v to paste



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YES!!! thanks justin, that was it, ctrl+v to paste.... took me 5 mins to put my cells in a new map, bingo, 1400 perfect idle now, boy does it ever like it!!! THANK YOU VERY MUTCH!!!! i wonder what was wrong with my old bin file.... i had same kind of problem with my gen 1 setup before i could not raise the rev limiter even tho in ee it said i did...redid a new map..worked right away...same there i had started with someones map as a starter map.

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Ok good result, i am glad to hear you are up and running with the idle speed. I reckon its always best to start with a stock bin file, you just never know what someone has done to something they give you...



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justin now that youve got the idle speed code covered up, how hard would it be to have a option to deactivate the isc fault code? even tho i had the idle set at 1400 it still coded 4 times today in 125miles...its random, only while decelerating quickly, really annoying because sometimes it stalls and if not, runs like **** until i cycle the key on-off to get rid of the code... i dont want to deactivate the isc from working, just get rid of the fault code. thanks again!

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If you have an active ISC, perhaps there is something wrong with it that is causing the fault codes.

I thought the intermittent ISC code issues were from folks that had it turned off.

I've never seen an ISC code on my conversion (STVA and STPS code always, but never an ISC)

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well my conversion isent really a conversion in the way that everything on the bike is gen 2 now...only thing electronic wise that is from my gen 1 left is the speed sensor. i wonder sometimes if its related to the map, when i went to tenessee (deals gap) it never faulted once in like alomost 3000 miles, coming back home, when i was about 200miles from here it faulted 3 times on my way back... i am very close to water elevation, tenessee was higher, i saw it instantly as i was running ritcher over there (on the wideband) . anyhow, my bike is running great except for this , i would really like an option to disable the fault code if wanted!!!

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Just "Me" thinking out Loud here, So I hope People don't take this the Wrong Way?............

I'm Not to Sure Building a Feature that Mask's FI/DTC codes would be such a Great thing?? I just think One might get to complacent in "masking" a Problem(s) with being able to By-Pass it?? I "Personally" believe in Finding out what the Root Problem is and then Repair it Correctly!

I just foresee a Guy having this Feature on that would Disable any Fault codes from being displayed, and a bigger Problem starts to happen......He would Not Know until it was too late...... Possibly???

I know that this option would be up to the individual, and I'm not saying it wouldn't serve a good Purpose in the right application. I Just wanted to bring up a Concern to Think about. smile



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jkwool wrote:

I tested the idle speed setting this morning and it works perfectly for me, from cold through to hot :) please try re-setting the isc valve in the engine data screen after flashing the change to idle RPM. I set it to 1500 rpm and rode the bike to work today and it was idle at or about 1500 rpm under all conditions.

At the moment i only update the values in the coolant temp/idle rpm if the set value is higher than the map value, i will look to expose this table in ee v3.0 for better control.

Cheers

-Justin.


 

Hijacking this old thread rather than start new.

 

I'm having no luck with idle command change either, however in my application it always thinks it in 5th gear clutch engaged. Could the cold start/ idle strategy only work in neutral and not upper gears/clutch engaged?

Are you finding that the commanded idle works in all gears once commanded?

If so I can figure a way to get it back to think it's always in neutral and map accordingly if it will help starting and some idle command issues.



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I could see the cold start possibly not working unless the clutch signal is attached to the ecu.
There was mention at one point by PetriK regarding the ecu needing to sense the clutch activation prior to starting.


Any reason you couldn't try it out with a momentary switch? If you determine it to be needed, then you could just add a switch to the clutch pedal in your car.

By the way, do yo have any pictures of thr car on the internet anywhere that you can share?

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That would explain a great many things. It'd be a simple matter to put a NC relay to open contacts triggered with starter button. That would replicate what you'd be doing albeit at the same time rather than clutch slightly before.
The ECM would think its in neutral in 5th then 5th engaged once started. Unless its got different idles in each gear. I can live with in gear idle but would be helpful to have cold start enrichenment.

Sure, I'll post up some pics tonight.

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Data shows Clutch "Out" and wire goes nowhere and if I'm reading the schematic right, it thinks it's engaged. So as far as the ECM is concerned it already in the run position. I'll have to ground this wire 60 B/Y and see if it activates a cold start strategy. Now hopefully it doesn't need to see that it's in neutral. Assuming it's been forced into 5th by a resistor.

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What I'm happy to see is that the downforce really does work. Interesting to see the water pulled up off the track on the front straight about 0:10 and 0:13.

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That thing is pretty cool.

I'm kind of glad I'm not into that as I could see myself having way too much money tied up in one of those...

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Thanks, I figure better to turn into smoke and noise than give to ex or gubernment.

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