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Yallgotboost


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When I go to open my woolich bin in ecu editor I get this Error. Do the bin files not open in ecueditor.

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just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

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you cant open bin files created in WRT in ecueditor as they are encrypted. You can however create a bin file in ecueditor and then edit it in WRT and move back and forth between ecueditor and WRT.



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Has anyone used a Dano's Performance pull type Quick Shifter switch? They good sensors? I thought someone on this board use to make quick shift sensors but I cant seem to find them.

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So tonight I finally got a 05 1000 gear sensor fit to the 91 motor.

Neutral show up right but

1st shown as 2nd

2nd as 1st

3rd as 6th

4th as 5th

5th as 4th

6th as 3rd


Has anyone ever dug out the soft potting material and seen how these things tic? I'm thinking there will be no way to correct this via the tune.






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AHHH you need a busa GPS , the gsxr rotates the opposite direction as its on the other side of the motor ...

If you were closer i would swap, i inadvertantly brought a busa gps and had the same result in a gsxr

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jkwool wrote:

you cant open bin files created in WRT in ecueditor as they are encrypted. You can however create a bin file in ecueditor and then edit it in WRT and move back and forth between ecueditor and WRT.

 

Good to know, and I just tried it to verify. I was not aware the files could be re-opened in ECU Editor once they were opened adn modified in WRT.



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sportbikeryder wrote:
jkwool wrote:

you cant open bin files created in WRT in ecueditor as they are encrypted. You can however create a bin file in ecueditor and then edit it in WRT and move back and forth between ecueditor and WRT.

 

Good to know, and I just tried it to verify. I was not aware the files could be re-opened in ECU Editor once they were opened adn modified in WRT.

 Thanks for the tip!



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Maj750 wrote:

AHHH you need a busa GPS , the gsxr rotates the opposite direction as its on the other side of the motor ...

If you were closer i would swap, i inadvertantly brought a busa gps and had the same result in a gsxr

 

Just got a Hyabusa GPS off ebay. Thanks for the info.



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Will this http://www.danosperformance.com/quick_shifter_switch.htm work for hooking up quick shift to DSM2? I wouldn't need the hayabusa version corect as I would be going to pin 54 and  pin 66.

 

 

Also does anyone know what years GSXR 1000 dash will work with a GEN 2 ECU?



-- Edited by Yallgotboost on Friday 19th of April 2013 06:11:13 PM

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She's alive!!!!

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Glad to hear! It's a great feeling when it fires for the first time. Some people just don't understand.

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It's definitely a great feeling! Fired right up on the first crank. Pretty rough idle but i think was just due to the tune being way off.

Now its time to hook up the wide band and get it tuned.

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I got the bike running fairly well over the weekend. The coolant temp sensor was bad though so I had to bypass it with a resistor. I also sorted out some wiring problems with a few of the plugs. Not getting any codes now so thats good.

Something seems to be drawing on the battery when the key is off though not really sure what thats all about.

I had a question abot the log box. when I have it in the center positon it should start to log after the engine is running correct? dose not seem to working for me not really sure why.

 

Also has anyone ever noticed the bike running differently when conected to the laptop? It seems almost like the fuel map changed when would log from the computer vs having it in the middle position.

 

How have others wired in the LC1 I'm using the bike H02 O/W to power the lc1 and the B/BR as ground.



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Good work! So are you able to read engine data to the laptop? Is the log box appearing on the PC when you plug it into the USB port? Can you see the logbox.cfg file on the micro sd when plugged into a PC?



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jkwool wrote:

Good work! So are you able to read engine data to the laptop? Is the log box appearing on the PC when you plug it into the USB port? Can you see the logbox.cfg file on the micro sd when plugged into a PC?

 Yes I can see engine data just fine and write to the ecu.

 

When pulged in I can see the logbox.cfg file on the PC.  

 

To get the log files do I need to put the SD directly into the PC?? or can I pull them off from the logbox?



-- Edited by Yallgotboost on Monday 29th of April 2013 02:56:14 PM

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You can connect to the log box and treat it as an external card reader to get to the file. I typucally copy the file to my hard drive and then either convert it to a .csv / .tsv file to be reviewed in a spreadsheet or open it with ECU Editor / WRT to review the dats.

As for the logging not starting, unplu the USB cable from the box. If the log box is plugged into a computer, it wil not start logging. THis plagued me a bit while on the dyno last week.


Justin,
I was going to email you about this but I didn't. I think you are already aware of it, but if not, see above.

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http://www.rtmperformance.com/wp-content/gallery/91-gsxr-gen-2-busa-ecu-conversion/busa-conversion-1.jpg

 

http://www.rtmperformance.com/wp-content/gallery/91-gsxr-gen-2-busa-ecu-conversion/busa-conversion-2.jpg

 

 



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So far I've gotten 2 bad water temp sensors off ebay.. Any one have one in bucks county philly area?

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What are you using the sensors for?
Are you trying to screw it in teh head or oil to use as a warmup enrichment? Try a ~300 ohm resistor in it.

Are you sure teh sensors are bad? They are pretty simple. You can put them in the fridge and check the resistance, then check it in boiling water.

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Here are the resistance values for the colant and air temp sensors for gen1 and gen2 hayabusa in k-ohm



Coolant  
Temp (F)Gen1 kGen2 k
682.4502.450
1220.8110.811
1760.3180.318
2300.1420.142
2660.088 
   
   
Intake Air  
Temp (F)Gen1 kGen2 k
682.4502.580
1220.808 
1760.3220.280
2300.148 
248 0.090




-- Edited by sportbikeryder on Thursday 2nd of May 2013 01:10:20 AM

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What are you using the sensors for?
Are you trying to screw it in teh head or oil to use as a warmup enrichment? Try a ~300 ohm resistor in it.

Are you sure teh sensors are bad? They are pretty simple. You can put them in the fridge and check the resistance, then check it in boiling water.

I made a bracket so the sensor is touching the valve cover where the oil flows to use as warmup enrichment. Both sensors are definitely bad. I cant get the sensor to read any resistance no matter the temp. Checked everything out as the shop manual says. Just to doubble check  I put the wires on the air temp sensor and it reads temp.  Both the sensors are gen 1 and looked pretty beat up so...  I have a gen 2 sensor on the way should be here tomorrow or saturday. Will see what happens.

Is there a way to get to the warm up map/ ECT cal table so down the road I can run a oil temp sensor?



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I do not have a defined coolant temp sensor calibration or a warm-up enrichment. I think they are sort of "there" in Romraider, but they are not defines in usable terms.

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I finally got a coolant sensor that works! took bike for a short ride need a lot of tunning work. Logbox still will not log to the SD card for some reason something is not activating it.

Will not having a ISC valve give me a lot of problems? I noticed on Ecu Editor on the disable ISC it has a warning saying that its not fully tested? Been having an odd problem with the bike stalling after decel when i come to stop and not wanting to start/stay running till I hit the kill switch and start it back up. I think some of it may be a rich area in the map but was just wondering everyone's thoughts.



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Strange that the log box is not logging data, are you able to test it on another stock bike to see if it is a bike specific problem?



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I don't have anyway of testing on a stock bike. When I connect to the bike it keeps wanting to scan the card for errors. I haven't played with the lob boxs config. It might be that ect dose not get to X temp so the log will not start. The ECT is mounted on  brakect off the valve cover touching oill passage so its most likely not getting to normal coolant temps.



-- Edited by Yallgotboost on Monday 6th of May 2013 07:13:14 PM

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You can program the coolant to be at zero degrees if you want. I would try that. Also allow it to log without engine running, pretty much any time the key is on. Once you get it working, you can always go back and tweak. With your bike being a streetbike, the logging will be invaluable in getting the mapping "right" for your application. I swapped from a busa to a busa, so while my scaling was way off, my overall map topography was close. Your's will be a whole different map and logging and auto tuning will be great for it.

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Justin/John I got the logbox working. It was the ECT not getting a hot enough reading to activate logging. So i just lowered the activation temp.

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Ahh yeah of course :) good to hear it was something simple!



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Finally back to messing with the bike. I took it out for a ride today needs some heavy tuning running rather lean.

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I keep having a problem all day I've been trying to get my log box to connect with no luck it keeps popping up with a box that saying FTDI based USB interface are no longer supported in woolich racing tuned software. Do older boxes no longer work with the new software?

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Same here just starting to get back in to mine, couldn't resolve the C28 & 29 Codes whatever I did and had a quick look at using Bsa Gen1 ECU but have given up and gone to Haltech just couldn't afford to spend any more time rooting around with Gixxer Thou or Busa ECU's. Good Night!

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I spoke with Justin and got it sorted out. You need to login with the account you used to buy your box.

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What difference does that make and what was the issue you had that made you find this?

Haven't been on this site for ages,bloody facebook has taken me away!

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Dose the Gen2 ECU use Fuel cut? The ignition map seems rather advanced compared to most car maps I've used with 87 deg advance in spot.



-- Edited by Yallgotboost on Wednesday 14th of May 2014 05:28:52 PM

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Ive been trying to find what the TPS reading should be in woolich software for idle. I don't have a dash so I can't set my TPS per manual.



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TPS at Idle should be between 0% and 0.6% in the Woolich Racing Tuned software.



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Thanks Justin!

Justin is there anyway to get the engine temp map set to 50c or 40c instead of 60c? I've been having some issue with going into the warmup mapping when I don't need it. On a 24c day my oils been running around 54 55c.

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I am sure there would be, i have not really looked into the switch point/s for start up enrichment.



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Any way I can help dig into this?



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Not at this point, i wont have the time to look at it for some time due to other commitments.



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Well I had the tune pretty much perfect  was pulling up to stop sign and bike shut off.  After pushing back to the the house....   Pulled the body work off and started digging into it found battery quick connect came apart. plugged it back in and nothing I checked the fuses ignition and the signal fuse were popped. Replaced them and still nothing went to hook up the woolich log box if I move the switch to engine data fuel pump just runs and runs no data. If i move the switch to write red light comes on but fuel pump just runs anytime I try to write ECU I get error

Unexpected or missing ECU response during intialization. Please turn Ignition Off then On again, Reset Interface and try again.

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Try to reset and get the same thing.  

 

If I hook up an 06 gsxr 600 ECU fuel pump cycles like normal.

 

Any thoughts do I need a new ECU?



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Does not sound very good, I would suggest you go back to basics and check the wiring harness for example, check that the ECU is getting +12v, then check to see if the 5v supply for sensors has 5v. this will give you some sort of idea if the internal power supply in the ECU is ok. I am not sure on your harness but also check to ensure that you are getting the correct signal from the ignition switch etc. etc.



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jkwool wrote:

Does not sound very good, I would suggest you go back to basics and check the wiring harness for example, check that the ECU is getting +12v, then check to see if the 5v supply for sensors has 5v. this will give you some sort of idea if the internal power supply in the ECU is ok. I am not sure on your harness but also check to ensure that you are getting the correct signal from the ignition switch etc. etc.

 I went back and checked everything up to the ECU plug that all is ok. I didn't test  5v supply from the ECU I will after work. My guess is that when the battery came apart the charging system spiked and thats why all the fuse popped along with the ECU. I ordered another ECU off ebay live and learn I guess..

The log box passes all tests so thats a plus!



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Ok, the ECU's are generally pretty tolerant to this sort of thing but you could be right. Good to hear that the Log Box is still working, thats something :)



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Well I got the "new" ECU yesterday flashed the map and fired right up. For some reason with this ECU the bike is running leaner at idle. I'm going to have check all the sensors.

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