Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: Lost Master Key


Newbie

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:
Lost Master Key


Anyone know how to retrieve/code red master keys? Lost keys to both r1s so looking at 1k for new keys (one red and two black for each bike).
This video has the steps but its hard to make out what his clicking on the computer or what ecu pins his attached to. It looks on his MacBook theres a list of steps his reading from, so those steps must be on the net somewhere or someone else knows.

His using a zed bull (program) and piasini engineering (ecu read)



__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 963
Date:

The solution we use around here is to reflash the ECU and disable the immobilizer so that the key code no longer matters. (What is your ???-8591A-?? part number?)

If you want a functioning key then I would start at the Zed Bull and work backwards. It needs a number from the ecu to program the key. What does that number look like? How many digits, range, etc?



__________________


Newbie

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:

I know i can get from flashtune their interface so i can flash it removing the immobiliser but was after a functioning master key, I can get the number on the ecu if its needed. With the piasini ive read makes a bin file of the whole ecu?



-- Edited by Halo_2 on Monday 10th of March 2014 09:31:01 AM



-- Edited by Halo_2 on Monday 10th of March 2014 09:31:32 AM

__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 963
Date:

The 'bin' or MCU flash ROM data is the same for every ecu of the same model. The key code is different for every ecu. That means the key codes must be stored in the ECU Non-Volatile Memory (NVRAM), not the flash ROM. Reading out the bin will not get you the key code.

Besides in the video it only took a couple of seconds to get what ever data he extracted, not enough time to read out the whole bin.

Also the R6/R1 use ECUs with 7052/7055 cpus which erase themselves on connect and can not be readout from the harness.

I'm pretty sure if you ask the right question the Yamaha Diagnostic System (YDS) will report the code.



__________________


Newbie

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:

RidgeRacer wrote:

The 'bin' or MCU flash ROM data is the same for every ecu of the same model. The key code is different for every ecu. That means the key codes must be stored in the ECU Non-Volatile Memory (NVRAM), not the flash ROM. Reading out the bin will not get you the key code.

Besides in the video it only took a couple of seconds to get what ever data he extracted, not enough time to read out the whole bin.

Also the R6/R1 use ECUs with 7052/7055 cpus which erase themselves on connect and can not be readout from the harness.

I'm pretty sure if you ask the right question the Yamaha Diagnostic System (YDS) will report the code.


 Is the yamaha diagnostic system something seperate i can buy because the onboard the bike diagnostic will only retrieve faults or check faults?



__________________


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 350
Date:

It is a separate software and cable. But with correct cable you can talk to the ecu via terminal or some small custom software.
Looks really nice and easy indeed. Do you know what type of connection is in diagnostic plug?

RR, do you know if you can request the immo code from eeprom via SDS protocol on Suzuki?
Have seen a couple of re-keyed gsxr ecu´s, but there have always been a hole cut to eeprom.

__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 963
Date:

Don't know for sure. Most Denso's copy the eeprom to ram on power up. Identify that ram and then find an sds lookup table pointing into that with consecutive addresses. Do you know what the key number looks like? How many digits etc?

__________________


Senior Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 350
Date:

No sorry, never seen the immo code format.
Trying to get a hold of a working in-circuit programmer ATM for the eeproms.


__________________
BPJ


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 8
Date:

Hi Ridge,

I can help out with what the key number will be especially for the Yamaha and Honda's. If you had an ECU with key I can read the key and tell you what is on it but I don't really want to post this info on a public forum :) :)

__________________


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 43
Date:

Hello. If I want to exchange information with me, I leave my email.
amissy@hotmail.com



__________________
BPJ


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 8
Date:

Hi Amissy, I sent you an email.

__________________


Newbie

Status: Offline
Posts: 2
Date:

Hey everyone! I want to do the same thing as this guy in this video is doing! please help me to figure out what kinda facilities do I need???? what I mean is programmer, Key RF-ID reader, etc.


__________________


Newbie

Status: Offline
Posts: 2
Date:

No body knows anything? please!


__________________


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 5
Date:

I use TMpro to read the memory keys inside the control unit and to generate new keys! good product when you do not want to eliminate the immobilizer

__________________
Don


Veteran Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 40
Date:

Can you give an example of what the key code looks like when you read it out? Is it in hex or decimal?



__________________


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 5
Date:

esadecimale file



__________________
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse
Powered by ActiveBoard