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Hello and Welcome.

If you are so inclined tell us a little about yourself and your background



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I'll start.

I have been riding motorcycles all of my adult life. I think I'm currently on my 16th or 17th bike in 25 years. I earn a living designing industrial electronic control systems that use embedded processors. I also write the software for most of the systems I design.

My knowledge of motorcycles and embedded controllers prompted me to try to hack the ECU of one of my favorite bikes, the Kawasaki ZX-12R.

Also you should know that motivationally I'm more of a Linus Travolds than a Bill Gates . I'm not trying to figure out some way to make money off of knowledge I have and you don't. Instead I think that everyone benefits as a whole when we share our knowledge and abilities with each other.

This project would never even have got off the ground were it not for the contributions of others. Their continued contributions keep it going and multiply my efforts.

I live on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State, USA where the mountains meet the sea. I'm less than a mile from the Olympic National Park and a particularly nice twisty little mountain road that I consider my personal motorcycle playground called the Hurricane Ridge Road, hence the username RidgeRacer


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I'll go next ...


My latest re project was an igniter for a zrx1100 - it is unbelievable how hard it is to find info on some of the older procs. I kick myself everyday for ditching all my old databooks a few years ago. Eventually, I ended up piecing together something to pull mapping info by mimicking stock sensor inputs.  I moved recently and my website went down - If I find time, I'll put it back up.


In the meantime, I'm hoping to crank through the stack of e-bay 1$ ecu's I shop for on occasion :)  I love to see how others attack problems - probably the reason I enjoy re'ing anything I can.


Right now, I'm converting the bike over to fi: http://www.zrxoa.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109756  - It's gotta be done this winter so I can make a summer trip w/my buddies.


I'll help anyone in anyway I can. I've got a full 'testlab' in the garage full of all kinds of test equipment and such. I'm an EE, sharp at firmware and embedded devices. I'm also good at C#/C++ for those pc-side 'automation' apps I have to write. I live for this stuff, so let me know how I can help. I'm quite familiar w/the auto/moto industry and have 'friends'.


 


-sean


 


I'm on the left, having fun on some bore'd out c90 based minibikes in china:


 



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Welcome SeanS. Glad to have you here. I was hoping to attract people with your kind of interests.

If at any time you would like me to create a forum here to keep track of any of your projects let me know.

it is unbelievable how hard it is to find info on some of the older procs. I kick myself everyday for ditching all my old databooks a few years ago. Eventually, I ended up piecing together something to pull mapping info by mimicking stock sensor inputs.

I here you there. I have been really lucky on my project so far. Not only being able to identify a private labeled chip but being able to find a data sheet on it even though its been discontinued. And then luckiest of all that the board had a Background Debugging Mode port that allowed me to grab all the code out of the CPU.

I live for this stuff, so let me know how I can help. I'm quite familiar w/the auto/moto industry and have 'friends'.

Well maybe you can help with this...



I don't know if you made it over to the MAD section but I found out by disassembling the code that you can modifiy the mixture of the ECU by connecting a simple box to an existing wire harness plug. I believe this is how the bikes are tweaked on the assembly line. You can get the mating plug shell, shown above, from kawasaki but minus any pins. I think it is just available as a water/dust cover for the harness connector.

I was hoping to find the manufacturer so I could order the pins. I've already checked all the obvious sources like tyco/amp. It maybe a Japanese supplier. Any help would be appreciated.

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RidgeRacer wrote:
I was hoping to find the manufacturer so I could order the pins. I've already checked all the obvious sources like tyco/amp. It maybe a Japanese supplier. Any help would be appreciated.




I didn't see any PM functionality, can you mail me  'sstasiak AT gmail' ?


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just found my old site at archive.org, in case anyone was interested:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050208132548/http://seanstasiak.home.comcast.net/
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forgot to mention that Sumitomo makes those connectors:
http://www.sewsus.com/welcome.html
on monday, I'll get you the part number and some samples
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Edited by SeanS at 02:55, 2006-12-01

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Mechanical engineer by degree, UNIX admin by profession, AMA Pro Racing Superbike team owner as time permits. I don't know that there's a lot I can contribute to these projects, but I have used a lot of the current motorcycle engine tuning systems in a racing context, including Teka SFI (similar in concept to the MAD device, as it's now called), Power Commander, HRC kit, etc. Mostly, I enjoyed (the technical portions of) the original thread and followed it over here to its new home. My involvement with ZX-12's is limited to the 1375 motor that I'm currently building for a friend, for which I was seeking enlightenment when I came across the aforementioned thread.

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Welcome. I looked up the Teka SFI. Pretty cool. I wonder if we could reprogram it to work with the Kawasaki? Unfortunately it looks a little pricey to play with.

You may be able to help us with testing out the new MAD. I may get in trouble with this but I am assuming it will work in the same way as the Yosh and the Teka as far as when to turn the bike on and off when to write values etc. I'll be checking the online manuals for both of course, but its nice to have someone around who has some actual hands on experience using one of these devices.

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I mentioned your project to the owner of Factory Pro last Friday evening, before I realized that you'd moved, so when we went to the old site, there wasn't much to see. He seemed very interested in your work, though. Is the Teka SFI (or, more appropriately, KFI in this case) something you're interested in adapting to this project? If so, I could put you in touch with the people at Factory Pro to see if this is something they'd be interested in supporting. At the very least, I might be able to arrange for some subsidies on a development Teka SFI unit.


BTW, supra is on this board, I believe, and he lives across the bridge from Factory Pro. He'd mentioned something about working with FP on some velocity stacks for his ZX-12, and the owner of FP acknowledged this as being factual. I don't know the nature of supra's relationship with FP, but hey, volunteering him to help doesn't cost me a thing!



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Hello to you all


frankly speaking I don't know how can I directly contribute to this projects, my skills are not related to electronic anyway I've a few experiences for ecu programming every type, stand alone plug in ie marelli denso powercomm yoshi motec autronic automotive and byke included newest ducati too, so I easly access to every bike and diagnostic,I was involved in similar project a few year ago (zuki bike for a strong 1.5 liters busa & 600ss ) similar board and components found, if need it I can easily help for connector



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Hello all!


I am an electronic engineer by education and I have done hardware design. I've done very little software development. Right now I have my own business converting 600cc and 1000cc sport bike fuel injection systems to run methanol and I've been playing with/tuning fuel injection systems since the late 80s. I have my own Dynapack model 2000 dyno where we do our development work and tune our customer's systems. Right now, I have an ECU from a 2003/2004 Kawasaki ZX636 cut apart and a bunch of the silicone removed. I have found the ECU and the part number. I've also worked extensively with the Kawasaki racing ECUs and software so I'll be happy to help with any questions regarding those systems. I've also tuned using the TEKA system on the Suzuki systems. I also have some 205/2006 ZX636 ECUs that I'm happy to donate to the cause. They are fuly functinal units that we relaced with racing ECUs. I'm very interested in hacking ECUs and learning more about the software development side of things. I'd love to be able to tune directly with the stock ECU instead of using a piggyback system. Let me know how I can help!



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Welcome Don. I think you have come to the right place. I would love to get my hands on one of the newer 32bit ECUs like the ZX-6 at some point. Right now however I think I need to finish whats on my plate. On the other hand we could get some of the preliminaries out of the way.

Do you have any pics of the ECU board you've uncovered? What part number did you come up with on the CPU?



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The 2003/2004 Kawasaki zx636 ECU has a CPU part # of 64F7052F40. There is also an unpopulated surface mount connector pad with 12 pins. It looks like it has a couple traces that go to the CPU. I believe the crystal is 10 MHz.


I'll try to get some decent photos and get them posted.


Let me know if you need anything else.



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I created a new forum to discuss the ZX-6, 636 ECUs here

Kawasaki ZX-6 ,636 ECU forum

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Hello all.

Im software development and actually I work chip tuning ecu cars, Im electronic enthusiasts and I have a Kawasaki er6-n that the ecu is just open but I still cleaning then  silicone.
Im very interested in hacking ECU.
I dont know how I can contribute to this project, but I will effort to do that.
I have a KRT KIT for diagnostic but it doesnt work with the er6-n
Im from Canary Islands, (Spain), and I have horrible English.

I just comment this with some friends and they are very interested in our discovery, there are a ZX-14R and a Versys.
  



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Welcome to the "It's a Small World" department...

I'm Adam Wade, author of "The Motorcycle Fuel Injection Handbook". Sean pointed me in the direction of this place, and I'm pleased to be here. :D

I worked at Factory Pro for a while, and did some of the early development work and testing on the forerunner to the just-about-ready Teka 4 USB. I also write for several motorcycle mags, mainly technical articles with some product reviews thrown in.

My digital electronics experience doesn't extend much past the 8080A breadboard machine I built as a kid. I used to know 6502 assembly, and can muddle my way through semi-commented assembly code. :D

My current "hobby" projects are reverse-engineering the old Honda CX500 Turbo and CX650 Turbo ECUs, and reverse-engineering the ECU for my 1985 Mazda RX-7 GSL-SE. All three are early digital Denso systems (back when they were NipponDenso). I look forward to collaborating with you who have more experience than in in the hardware and software areas, and providing my product knowledge and ability to source information inside the motorcycle industry.

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Welcome Adam,

It sounds like our skills really complement each other. I also look forward to collaborating on some projects. It never ceases to amaze me the way the internet can bring like minded people from all over the world together to share and help each other.

In the small world department I almost bought a CX500 Turbo back when they first came out. I had a $500 deposit down on one but the delivery date kept getting pushed back and being an impatient youth I went out and bought an '82 GPz-550 instead.

Welcome also dgmcan. Don't worry about your English, it's ten times better than my spanish.

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That's awesome. :) My main bike is a very modified Zephyr 550, fairly similar inside to a GPz. I have a bunch of go-fast bits and such for GPzs that is for sale. The Zephyr is going to get injected eventually.

I can get the Mazda ECU out to you with what info I have on the chips; I think I have the processor down, although it seems to have a slightly different spec than a "stock" part; the pinout seems to be all there, though.

I can probably get dead Turbo boxes; let me know if you want me to pursue that.

And I wish that Sean lived closer to me, because I need to learn his fabrication skills!

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Hi, I'm an electrical engineer and although nowadays I mostly design cellular telecomms systems I have a hobbyist background in microprocessor h/w and s/w, and a passion for motorbikes.

I've just upgraded from an old air-cooled, carburetted, hall-effect ignition-triggered bike (which I bought new 22 years and 300,000kms ago) to a suzuki sv1000s, and there's a part of me that wants to get to know that ecu a little more intimately.

Gathering tech data is difficult and I've still got two undocumented pins to figure out, and I've got lots of questions, some ideas, and not too many answers.

Hopefully I've come to the right part of the woods. I'm in Melbourne Australia and look forward to participating here,

cheers,

MarkW

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I'm the noob on the block so best I say hi.

I'm an electronics technician by trade, with some R&D and production background... deviated slightly from my trade, so now I'm more of a maintenance technician... hydraulics, pneumatics, electronics, electrical, automation... whatever is needed to keep the plant running.

I hooked up on this forum via LABusas, some amazing work done there Ridge Racer and I am glad you have this forum on the go.

I have a Y2K Busa that is stripped down at the moment, I have a bent shift fork and currently riding an Aprilia Mille Factory '04 model.

I looked at hacking the Busa ECM around late 2000 or 2001. I ended up getting stuck with the processor as I assumed it was a dedicated chip for Denso, so I never did much other than getting down to component level.

I manufactured and sold the ATRE, an active version of the TRE for the Busas. It started of because I wasn't prepared to pay Ivan $75 for a resistor and 2 connectors, so I made my own, it was programmable and totally "Plug 'n Pray"... which then created demand from mates and grew from there. I haven't bothered selling much over the past couple of years as I don't have as much free time anymore.

RidgeRacer, email me your postal addy and I will have the OEM pins you are looking for in the post during the course of next week. Tell me how many you want and if it's male or female and I will put them in an envelope and send them off. These are the pins used on my ATRE so I suspect they will fit the connector that you need. If you have a part number I can cross check. It will take a couple of days to get to you cos I'm in South Africa.

I haven't gone through all the threads yet, but will do so in time.

Hopefully I will be able to contribute positively to this community and in turn learn as well. So far I have found the threads extremely interesting.

Take it easy,
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Thanks for the info on the pins. I send you an email soon as I figure out what I need. I just bought a 99 busa wire harness on ebay that I should be getting sometime this week. Once I get it and go over it and compare it to the zx-12 and figure out if they are in fact the same. I'll get back to you.

As far as part numbers I've never been able to find one. The guy who manufactures the TEKA SI told me you couldn't buy them, of course he didn't mention what he was using for his plug.

What mfg and part number have you been using?

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Hello all !

What a nice forum ! Good technical knowledge and a lot of sharing, thanks RidgeRacer !

I would like also to hack a Kawasaki ECU but this one comes from a jetski :D
It comes from a 2005 STX15F model and I was thinking it may use the same ECU as ZX12R but not at all ...

Microcrontroller is referenced as MH7203FA, and ECU is a mitsubishi unit:


Microcontroller is from H8/500 familly but don't know the exact model as I cannot find any documentation on this one. I did not found any ISP connector on the pcb.
On OpenEcu, Colby has developped a kernel for H8/539 but need to be plugged using the OBD connector and as I do not have the CPU pinout, no way to connect it to an OBd interface.
If someone has any information please let me know :D

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Rumor is that chip is an H8/539 variant. Is it a 112 pin chip (28 pins per side)? I can't tell from the photo. If it is 112 then I would download the h83_538_539_hwm.pdf, which is the hardware manual for that chip, and compare the power, ground and crystal chips to see if they match.

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That's it, a 112 pin chip. I will check for ground, vcc and crystal pins. If so, are you aware of any solutions to read internal rom ?

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Right now I'm having a hard time just finding a pin out for this CPU. The manual I mentioned earlier is for the PROM version, not the Flash version.

Here is the way this works on chips like this one. You reset the chip with 12V applied to the VPP (voltage programming pin) and it goes into a boot mode where it will download and execute a program into ram using Serial Channel 1. This program is what allows you to dump/erase/flash the CPU.

So step 1 is to get a pinout of the chip

Identify the Vpp pin, Serial Channel 1 pins.

Clean off the rest of the circuit board.

Trace these pins from the CPU to the front connector.

Find or write a boot loader program.

reset the ecu with vpp applied, download your boot loader

Right now we are at step 1, find the pinout

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I did a little more checking and I think pin 19 is Vpp and the first pin you need to trace to the main connector. If that checks out then you can go from there.

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I will continue the cleaning and see where this pin goes. Thanks !

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Having been around for a while, maybe few words as an introcution. First of all I am not an electronics engineer smile.gif, rather one could describe me a father of three teenagers who rides a motorcycle for fun and sometimes on track (quartermile, mile lsr).

Anyway ECU tuning has been close to my heart for years. First I got involved with ecu hacking in 2002 when we started to change eproms onto our cars. That was mainly Nissan 300zx and 200sx. A little bit later nissan changed the ecu to 32bit and had an intergated rom which was not flashable so we managed to source some add on boards from japan that would hook directly to the memory bus of the processor. Getting the source code to those boards was a bit more trickier - luckily a Dutch company DTA helped us by writing a piece of software that could read a the memory - byte by byte using the serial protocol available on those ecus.

Today when you look into the net there is several sites for mapping Nissan ecus. Back in 2002 the http://www.ztechz.net/id10.html was the first and only one.  All the credits of mapping Nissan ECU should go to three person.
- Devin Novak who lived in japan and helped us to start with these kind of projects by sourcing local information
- Pascal Higier from France who had disassembled the Z32 ecu almost fully and give us a tremendous head start for all the other models as the program structure was the same
- DTA Motorspors in Netherlands who supported us with their competence of Sio protocol and car tuning and even wrote special software modules for our special purposes.



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Well lets start with the good old "Hi All"
Im an aircraft maintenance engineer (airframe and engines) rotary wing only, planes are just a little bit to boring to keep me interested all day.

I think I had a bike Licence long before a car one and have never managed to keep a bike standard for more than about 4 weeks. I have always believed if its a production model then it just a poor compromise of what it should have really been like!

With info I have come across over the years I have always known that the ECU fitted to bikes were capable of a lot more than we are given access to. In another forum I came a cross a post relating to the Denso 16 bit ECUs and that brought me here to annoy you all with silly questions as I try to remember electronic theory from what seems a long time ago in an a tempt to rid my current toy of its power commander and rev limit.

I live at the foot of the Blue Mountains in Sydney Australia and if I can be of any help with anything in my field feel free to ask.




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Hi,

Stocky here.

I'm also an electronic tech.

Worked in manufacturing mostly for 8 years then Pay TV tech for a few.

Haven't had much to do with electronics in my current job for about 8 years though.

I do play with motorcycles constantly.

Everything from data logging to tunning.

I own a TEKA , an LM1 , LC1, AIM MXL , TG log, Tuneboy.

I own a fairly modified GSXR1000 (2002 model) and have been considering fitting a Motec M800 but I'm very interested in modifying a stock ECU.

If the newer ECU turns out to be viable I'd swap my entire wiring over to K5/K6.

I have learned some interesting things about the Suzuki ECU's but nothing ground breaking.


For example-

When the clutch switch is in and the starter pressed the ECU fires all the injectors together.
So every time one would have fired, they all do.
This helps "choke" the engine when starting.

Some Suzuki ECU's rev limit early when the clutch switch is in.

They all seem to use a set ignition map for Neutral

The Secondary throttle valves are controlled for inlet noise (not constant inlet velocity) and restrict the engines ability to accelerate as fast as it can without them.

The sensors all run on a seperate earth to the rest of the bike. Sometimes you can get noise on the sensor earth that plays havoc with the ECU. (kind like little ground loops etc)

Many of the GSXR600/750/1000 ECU's plug and play on each other (but the fueling and ignition maps are all wrong obviously)

The signal to the instruments for temp/fault codes etc is different for 16bit and 32bit ECU's etc. (and the newer 32bit ecu's include the gear pos too)

If someone made a unit that converted old school temp sensor and made it work with modern Suzuki speedo's (including the "all ok" signal for fault codes) they's sell a tonne of them to all the guys that do up old bikes. There is a huge market for this.

TRE's are not so good on the ram air models as they add fuel in the lower gears but ok on SV's etc.

The Yoshimura ECU's for K1-K4 are all stock ECU's with a bunch of changes
eg No top speed limiter, different ignition maps, no fault codes when removing STV's etc, power shifter (kills ignition for 40ms when a normally unused pin is earthed)

I also think the current Yoshimura EMPro is basically a crude version of what you are trying to do (with a comercial front to it)
It allows the stock ECU to remap fuel, ignition , STV control, pit lane speed limiter etc from a "stock" ECU.


I'd love to help with anything I can.

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Welcome, both Gjim and Stocky

Always glad to see new talent join up. I think we are building quite the international brain trust here.

Looks like I'll need to add a GSXR-1000 forum

Oh and Gjim if I ever need help replacing a swashplate I'll be sure and ask your advice ;)




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Hi,

I'm Motty, and I found this place from the post made by RidgeRacer on gixxer.com. Also Stocky sent me a link to the SV ECU hacking post on svdownunder last week.

I'm an EE and I have been working as an embedded sowftware specialist in the microwave radio business in Finland for 8.5 years. Now I came back to Hungary and I started a small company to produce the AFR Tuner that I have developed over the years. It is a wideband lambda based self mapping fuel injection tuning system with integrated data logger and some other features. www.afrtuner.com

What you guys are doing is very interesting. If you think I can help in any way please let me know.

motty

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Welcome Motty. Very impressive product you have there. At first glance it would seem our project is a threat to products like yours and the Power Commander but it may actually be an opportunity.

Figuring out HOW to flash the ECUs has been pretty straightforward. Figuring out WHAT to flash into them is another story. Upping the rev limit is easy, change a few numbers, but performance tunning the fuel maps is much harder. In other words retuning involves more that just reflashing. There needs to be some sort of feedback be it seat of the pants, a dyno, or wideband O2. Your product really addresses that issue. What good is a power commander or even a Teka without a dyno?

I've known for a while now that for a re-mappable ECU to be practical we are going to have to come up with some kind of tuning scheme to allow the ECU to be adjusted realtime so that data can be collected that can be converted to map data points to be reflashed into the ECU.

Imagine a hybrid of your product. Still has a wideband sensor, still has a user map and generates an autotune map but instead of hacking into the injector harness like a power commander it sends signals directly to the ECU thru the yoshbox connector and the ECU itself changes the injector timing. Eventually you could reflash the ECU with the autotune map maybe?

Same results as a power commander without all the injector driver hardware hassle and reliability issues. Power Commander is probably to big and inflexible to run with an idea like that but a small in house engineering shop like yours motty could run with it.

Excuse me while I go make an entry in my Patent Journal ;)



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Imagine a hybrid of your product. Still has a wideband sensor, still has a user map and generates an autotune map but instead of hacking into the injector harness like a power commander it sends signals directly to the ECU thru the yoshbox connector and the ECU itself changes the injector timing. Eventually you could reflash the ECU with the autotune map maybe?

Same results as a power commander without all the injector driver hardware hassle and reliability issues. Power Commander is probably to big and inflexible to run with an idea like that but a small in house engineering shop like yours motty could run with it.

Excuse me while I go make an entry in my Patent Journal ;)




I also considered that idea years ago, but that time it was not possible to write the results back to the ECU. Also the ECU must read the yoshbox connector fairly frequently for it to work. Do you know how often it updates itself from the connector?

 



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For this idea to work you will need to rewrite the operating software inside the ECU so I guess my answer would be how fast do you want it to update?

Actually I was thinking you could build up a temporary offset table in RAM which means you wouldn't have to have realtime adjustment. Realtime the ECU would run off the RAM table. The external device could calculate the adjustment and then update the RAM table keeping a local copy in the device. Once the autotune table was filled out convert and flash the results into the ECU.

From a sales standpoint that would mean you only needed it to tune the bike and people could share them (bad for sales) but maybe you sell it as a combo tuner / logger and they keep it on the bike for logging?

Just throwing an idea out there.

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Software degree and 35+ years as operating systems internals specialist and TL1000R and TL1000S builder.  Just looking around...would like to raise the redline a bit.

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Let me introduce myself.
In the middle 1960's when I was 15 I bought my first motorcycle with paper route earnings. It was a single cylinder Ducati Desmo 250SS. I've always had at least one around ever since. At present I own a 1998 Triumph T595, a 2000 ZX-12R and a 2005 XL1200R HD Sportster.
What I tell the wife is, one for the curves, one for the straights and one for cruising.
My 12 is really unmolested I guess compared to some. I fairly quickly removed the clean air system, changed the exhaust to a Yoshimura high exit S/S race exhaust with the Yoshimura EMS. I also had the inside and outside of the exhaust header and collector Jet-Hot high temp coated after getting an O2 sensor bung welded into the collector. I've removed the parachute, factory mirrors and added an undertail and hugger. Gearing is stock but I have a few sprockets on hand. One thing I did and quickly changed back was to lower via dog-bones and triple clamps.
This ECU hacking really appeals to me as a way to maximize the tuning. Right off the bat I want to increase the redline/timing and add the A/B map switching.
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Thought I'd finally stop lurking and get a name.

I've been involved on motorcycling for 30 years. My past life was an engineering technician in semiconductor capital equipment. Dealt with a lot of robotics and motion control. Previously had ion beam-line experience.

I've been involved with EFI tinkering since getting my '95 Firebird Formula and joining up with the EFI-332 group. I will gladly admit ZERO design or improvement input, but did enjoy the spin off DIY Wideband and Megasquirt. I have several bikes running on such equipment.

My weekend job is running my dyno shop. So, yes I am familiar with the Power Commander, TEKA, Rapid Bike, etc.

I'd much rather tune the ECU directly like I would tune the LT1 with LT1 Edit or Tuner Cat. The Techno Research software is OK in my opinion, but not great. Somewhat clunky and minimal user support.

I don't know what I can contribute, but I will jump in where I can. I recognize a few names here. Adam comes to mind quite clearly.

Anyway, hope this grows - we can all use more knowledge

Craig


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New here....lol......

Looking to start playing with programming as well....i'm a licensed mechanic and a Automotive Professor. I am an X Pro Superbike racer getting back into it with a TL1000R and can't beleive how poorly the system is mapped...

Would like to get a program that i could play with and learn to program/map....suggestions for good, simple programs??

Thanks

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Live in the UK with over 8 years racing and building/tuning my own TL1000s's.

Directed to this forum from ffaspector and RR, handy with my hands but despite a school qualification in electronics I'm clueless to this language.

Currently opened up a TLS ECU and read the data from the PROM, but now no idea how to interpretate it, hoping to learn from here.

I have a few other TLS/TLR ECU's and even a Yoshimura TLR Larry Pegram ECU with 3 optional PROMS

I'm currently building a supercharged TL1000 engine for fun, hence my interest in mapping, injector durations and more importantly ignition timing incase I run out of adjustment with the PCIII etc (only the PCII has the ability to alter the ignition timing). Would also like to raise the rev limit slightly on my race bike.

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Sam,

You should post the code in the TL forum so we can take a look at it.

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Howdy all,

Another aussie with an electrical engineering background. My skills ended up in project management and maintenance engineering so this is a good change from dealing with idiots at work :)

I got shown this forum by Bozo when he started hacking the SV1000 ECU, I'm hoping to get my hands on a Honda NSR250 MC21 ECU to hack, but no one seems to want to part with a fried PGM.


Hopefully I'll be making some useful contributions soon.

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Hi All,

I'm NEW to all this reprogramming stuff but old to motorcycles. Just happened to stumble onto this valuable information searching the net. I've been riding, working on, racing (5 years) since I was 14. The numbers of my age in years have swapped their positions now and I still love bikes! It'smy Passion. I currently work as an Aircraft Technician as an Avionics Tech at DFW Airport and have been doing that for almost 20 years. Before that I was a Motorcycle Technician for 8 plus years and roadraced them in the AFM for 5 years. Well, I've come alost full circle back to wrenching on bikes again. I still work on planes for a living but am moonlighting as a Crew Chief for the Lone Star Track Days Endurance Team: www.lstd.com

I ride an 03 636 Race goodies including ECU, Cams, 05 wheels, brakes, suspension etc. I also have an 05 636 stocker. The Team bikes are 07 ZX6R with the Race Kit ECU, Cams, stacks, LV Exhaust etc. Although I was onboard at the last race of last year, this is my first real season with the team. We mainly race in Texas & Oklahoma but will be going to Barber and maybe Miller this year. Also Daytona possibly. One of out team riders (Andy Galindo) just returned from Daytona where he raced a Triumph 675 in the Formula Extreme. Started 54th and finished 24th!

Now, for the reason I came aboard here was to learn about the reprogramming & tuning of the ECU's for the bikes we have. I have always been a tinkerer but not very good with computer programming, codes, language etc; however I knew that there had to be a way to reprogram the stock ECU's and someone out in cyberspace knew how! Eureka!!!!  found that place through the Bikeland forum and Ridgeracer directed me here. Thank You RR! Hope to stick around and learn a whle bunch and also contribute in any way I can. I'm still learning how to program the Race Kit ECU with the $600!! interface harness. Good thing I didn't pay that much for it;)

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Hello all.

I'm just your ordinary computer technician with very little knowledge in programming. Break/Fix really nothing a 10 yr. old couldn't do.

Been in the automotive industry for the better part of 25 years but hardcore into motorcycles the past 10 years. You might say that I like to get my hands dirty.

I don't know if I will have any valuable input to the site but I am a good listener. The reason I am here is because I do not have that much faith in the piggyback products such as the Dynojet Powercommander that we all are fond of. Trying to ween myself away from that and use a better solution as seems to be found at this site.

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Welcome Busashot and Speedracer138.

Reprogramming the stock ECU has many obvious advantages over the PCIII. Cost, Reliability, No Installation, features etc. The still have huge lead in 'ease of use' but we will get there once we build more practical experience using the ECUs.


SpeedRacer:

A user on the board, Don, has a lot of experience with the ZX-6 and the KIT ecu. He as actually downloaded the software from the zx-6 and kit ecus. It looks like reprogramming the stock ecu offers more than even the kit ecu offers.



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Hello, my name is James.

Im a EE and love what you guys are doing. Maybe I can lend a hand to help.

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I saw Ridge Racers posts on gixxer.com a couple of months ago and started lurking on this site. My electronics experience starts and ends at soldering, and I have been reading many of the posts on this site over and over again until they started making sense.

I am in awe of the talent on this board and the willingness to share the information when a profit could easily be made. I believe that RidgeRacer stated that he had a 05 gsxr 750 ecu that he was working on and I am eagerly awaiting more information as my extra bike will be experiemented on extensively.

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i have an associates degree in electronics, i use to program Kawasaki robots for Zenith electronics corp. before they move to Mexico in 1998. ever since then i have lost interest in electronics, and strated working more in the electrical field mainly maintenance, i currently work for the local transit system, trouble shooting and repairing any electrical problem in the rail cars...i had no more intrest in electronics until i came across the board and the busa ecu hack as i'm a big hayabusa fan i build mine up myself...including the motor, installed a velocity stage two turbo system...and now trying to learn a thing or two about the ecu...thanks the RR and Petrik... biggrin

-- Edited by busa2001 at 05:02, 2008-05-05

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Hi everybody,
Arrived here via posts in other forums made by RR and Bozo, and like this forum quit a lot.  Very impressive stuff here.

My professional background is in software, years of it.  I'm not fluent in electronics but have tinkered occasionally with small circuits as well as the sw side of microcontrollers.

My bike is a Suzuki DL-650 K7.  I'm playing with the idea of starting a project on its ECU myself, and info on this board seems like a great start.  I'll post any advances here.

Cheers.

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Hi all,

My name is Mark and my background is fault finding on Electronic PCB's, most recently Mobile phone PCB's. Programming is something I have covered at college but only to HNC level and therefore have a very basic understanding of what RR and Petrik have achieved.

Here is the back ground on my bike: RCC stage 1 Turbo with intercooler, siemans 630cc injectors,1:1 fuel regulator, power commander with HUB, 3 bar Map sensor (using the HUB as interface) Innovate LC1 and SSI4, Tial dump valve, Tial waste gate, JE Turbo pistons,adjustable cam sprockets timed at 105/105. On the dyno it made 320bhp at 15PSI and my top speed is 213.7mph at Elvington near York.

I have built the ECU interface and used the LC1/logworks/ECU editor to adjust the IAP maps for better street riding. I've also adjusted the fuel pressure setting to 350 as the bike was very hard to start when warm.

I'd like to thank Petrik and RR for their hard work......it is much appreciated.

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