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Lost keys - what to do next ?


I am getting often a question of what to do if someone has lost his keys.

Throughout the world there is one very easy process for this:
1) Contact your local police with your bike registration and VIN number and ask if anyone has returned a set of keys. Thats where the keys often end up in the first place.
2) If keys are not there, then just ask for a small note that tells you are being the owner of the bike and get a new set of keys from your local dealer. Often dealers are hesitant as żou really need a new set of keys as otherwise anyone with your keys can come and pick up the bike at any night. Therefore a complete set of keys and ignition lock is always preferred.

The ecu programming has nothing to do with reprogramming the keys. Anyone contacting on this board about the keys, I will always report further to local user community and sometimes to the authorities too. As with the user logging on this site we can detect the country and IP address we can most often narrow down the person posing the question to a particular city.







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as i said before i am the leagal owner of this bike and i understand some people try and do the wrong thing but i posted the vin of the bike where i got from and from whom i brought it off so get off ua high horse and give me sum freakn help

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why would you be defensive if you are the legal owner..........yawn

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sorry im not defensive it just frustrating i am definitly the legal owner and have vin and proof of purchase ,

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fastbikes wrote:

sorry im not defensive it just frustrating i am definitly the legal owner and have vin and proof of purchase ,



I would also be cursing who you purchased the bike from! These bikes all come with two keys! Wheres the other key? Might be worth a phone call or two!!

 



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As per factory shop manual, it basically says... "You lose the keys..... YOU buy a new ECU with the matching keys that come with it."

Does the gas cap need the same key? I do not know? So to answer that, you find another 14 owner and have h/er try to open the gas cap with their key. If not, then it is a full key assembly kit or pack for both seat lock, gas cap, and ignition switch.

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If i was gone already to police station and took the nesessary documents that correct me like legal owner,how it gonna cost to me after to send you the keys,and ecu to reprogram them?And i need also an ecu that can handdle extra fuel for turbo,this time im working with split second,do u have any other choice?(at same or lower cost)

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i need also an ecu that can handdle extra fuel for turbo,this time im working with split second,do u have any other choice?(at same or lower cost)


 



-- Edited by sakis on Sunday 9th of May 2010 10:04:49 PM

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 i need also an ecu that can handdle extra fuel for turbo,this time im working with split second,do u have any other choice?(at same or lower cost)


 




 



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send me ecu i can program new keys for you

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G0tcha, where (which part of the world) you run your business ?



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OK, our 28 south african friends on this board, please check out the background of this user for a possibility of not legitable business as advertising for lost keys service on this board. If one of our bikes is stolen then this user may know what is ongoing with the bike ?





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I think bike thieves are the scum of the earth as much as the next guy. Three times some one has tried to steal one of my bikes. Fortunately they only ended up vandalizing them. I do not understand however the paranoia some you display on the topic of defeating the ECU anti theft features.

Originally I was of a similar mindset. I have been asked maybe a dozen times to help someone with this. I'd ask for pics of the VIN on the frame, copies of titles and licenses etc. Every single one checked out (or their forged info was good enough to fool me). I've decided from my personal experience that there are not roving gangs of potential bikes thieves out there who are only being deterred by their inability to defeat the ECU anti theft.

Is it possible someone will use this knowledge to steal a bike? Of course. It is also possible that someone who used ECUeditor to remove the 189mph limit will lose control of their bike at 200mph on a public highway, cross the center line and plow through the windshield of a mini van full of toddlers. Do we interrogate every user to make sure they are affiliated with a racing organization and not using this technology on the street?

There are real and legitimate reasons to want to defeat the anti theft features; Lost keys, racing, or installing the engine in a custom vehicle just to name a few. I'm sorry but I just don't see the logic in any one who claims to have lost their keys being immediately suspect, guilty until proven innocent, yet any one who wants to go over 189mph is not even questioned and assumed to be rational, competent, and considerate of the safety of others.

Besides helping people flash US bins in immobilized ECUs is defeating the immobilizer already.

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Unfortunately my experience is different. If legitimate business with lost key information and proper contact information is added to the message and I will be very positive and supportive and apologize any hostility.




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I would agree with PetriK. Anyone wishing to bypass the immobiliser has no place on boards such as this.

There are plenty of ways to modify the ignition so the key unit is not a heavy cumbersome intrusion for any genuine racers out there.

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I had a chat with Gotcha yesterday , it seems he has a legit business.
They have been doing cars for a while , has tha fastest C63 N/a Merc. here 11sec no turbo no Nos.
They have a fixed adress and workshop with dyno facilities and all.
They manufacture Flashing hardware for cars.

The key coding thing is a spill over from the cars as they have the hardware knowledge etc.

Mabe I can advise him to screen customers asking for such a service ?
But one can never really be certain all is as it appears.

It's a good thing to distance this site from criminals etc. , I dont think apologies are required.

The company is called Adam Engineering and the owner is Faheem Adam.He can supply more details if required.




 



-- Edited by LenTurbo on Friday 29th of April 2011 05:32:46 AM

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I think you just made my point for me...

 

Number of innocent members hassled   +1

Number of bike thefts stopped 0



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RidgeRacer wrote:

I think you just made my point for me...

 

Number of innocent members hassled   +1

Number of bike thefts stopped 0


 

Sorry, I don't think that is a fair assumption at all.

There are plenty of companies with premises, etc. that have made a trade out of gray areas such as this, some are one side of the law, some are the other side and many others walk a very fine line.

Getting replacement keys is easy through official channels. Removing the need for a heavy ignition lock without removing the immobiliser is very easy.

How can providing the functionality to disable the immobiliser add to this given the legitimate channels available? In my opinion it can only be used for illegal activity.



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I see lots of guys wanting to remove the immobiliser for race type use, mostly in busa or gsxr powered cars running minimal wiring and just wanting a simple toggle switch , also specific drag racing bikes trying to loose weight ,

I agree that some caution is needed , but of the few bikes i'm aware of stolen from friends or forum associates over the years , some of which were found ..most were assumed to be pushed onto trailers and taken to be stripped , making the key or immobiliser irrelevant .

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Maj750 wrote:

I see lots of guys wanting to remove the immobiliser for race type use, mostly in busa or gsxr powered cars running minimal wiring and just wanting a simple toggle switch , also specific drag racing bikes trying to loose weight ,

I agree that some caution is needed , but of the few bikes i'm aware of stolen from friends or forum associates over the years , some of which were found ..most were assumed to be pushed onto trailers and taken to be stripped , making the key or immobiliser irrelevant .


 

As I said, there really is no need to remove the immobiliser and it is very easy to convert the bike to run with just a toggle switch. The resulting package, including keeping the immobiliser in place, weighs under 200 grams and is about 1.8" x 1.8" x 1".

ECU hacking will remain under the radar of the manufacturers and authorities until it is seen as a way of circumventing the security of bikes and enabling bike thieves to bypass the systems put in place.

At that point things will get much harder to do as more resources are put in place to make it difficult to access the ECU and I think that is the last thing we want. 



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Lost keys? Where is the immobilizer?


Okay, not to be dumb here, but where is the immobilizer? Is it integrated in the ignition switch? Or really, is it connected to the computer? As I want to swap my '07 1000's wire harness, gauges and computer to an older Busa engine for my old Katana project but don't want to do an igition switch swap or change the keys for the GSXR.

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Lost keys - what to do next ?


Remove the cdi send it to motomatrix in the uk and they will return it with 2 new keys coded to the bike then get the keys cut off the barrel in a locksmith. Had to do this with my K6 gixxer. If the bike is reported stolen dont think you will recieve your ecu back.



-- Edited by gixxxerk6 on Sunday 19th of June 2011 04:16:02 PM

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you can find some spare ECU on ebay, cheap and safe. You can modify the wiring for US version then not need to scare immobilizer again

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